Evidence of meeting #112 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cbsa.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jonathan Moor  Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency
Alexandre Martel  Executive Director, Procurement, Canada Border Services Agency
Mike Leahy  Director General, CARM Project Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency

1:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

I've read the Auditor General's report.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Did you not read that section?

1:30 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

The section there was around GC Strategies providing people.

1:30 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

No, sir. The CBSA said that GC Strategies provided a proposal. The Auditor General confirmed that it did not.

The question is very simple: Why is the CBSA actively misleading the Auditor General in the performance of her role?

It really brings to mind the cosy relationship that GC Strategies had with the CBSA.

The second case in point is that there was a reference to a $25-million sole-sourced contract going to GC Strategies, and the CBSA invited GC Strategies to write their own contract. If that's not showing favouritism to GC Strategies, I don't know what is.

What was going on at the CBSA that allowed these highly irregular and suspicious contracting practices with Kristian Firth and Darren Anthony of GC Strategies?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

As I've said before, that is not permitted under the rules and regulations, and if the—

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

But it happened.

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

It happened, and so—

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Who is responsible for that?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

That's what the investigation is considering.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Surely, sir, you must have some suspicion.

Were you personally involved in allowing GC Strategies to do that?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

I was not involved with GC Strategies at all.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Are you prepared to name names, sir? Are you preparing to speak truth to power?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Are you protecting your president?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

I am not protecting anybody. My understanding is that it's all being looked at as part of the investigation.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Who's looking into it?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

The investigator and the RCMP.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Are you talking about Mr. Lafleur, the so-called independent investigator who reports to Ms. O’Gorman?

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

He's the internal investigator, just like—

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Right. He's not independent.

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

The RCMP is independent and it is also looking at our process.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

The RCMP is independent.

1:35 p.m.

Vice-President, Comptrollership Branch, Canada Border Services Agency

Jonathan Moor

I am not aware of the status of that. What I am aware of is it has been longer than our normal standard operating procedures. Our service standards are 120 working days to complete an investigation. It has been longer than that.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

I can tell you that Canadian taxpayers are very disappointed in the operations of the CBSA, sir.

1:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

That is our time, gentlemen.

We'll go to Mr. Bains, please, for five minutes.