Evidence of meeting #56 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elizabeth MacPherson  Director General, Labour Program, Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, Department of Human Resources and Social Development
Marc Toupin  Procedural Clerk

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

No.

Mr. Savage has moved that we adjourn for today.

(Motion negatived)

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Okay, we will continue, then.

Mr. Silva, circulate the motion, please.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Okay, if we could call everyone back to order here, what I ask Mr. Silva to do is to read the amendment into the record, please.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mario Silva Liberal Davenport, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I move that Bill C-257 in clause 2 be amended by replacing lines 6-10 on page 3 with the following:

(2.4)(a) The Board, in response to an application from any trade union, employer, association or the minister, may amend any agreement or order established under section 87.4 of the Canada Labour Code to ensure the continued delivery of essential services and maintenance of activities and the Board will render their decision within a reasonable period of time.

(b) Such a decision as noted in this section will have the effect of immediately superseding any previous decision, agreement or order by the Board with respect to section 87.4 of the Canada Labour Code and those employees who are designated as essential resulting from this decision will comply with the decision within a reasonable period of time from the date and time the order is issued.

Mr. Chair, there was a great deal of debate on proposed subsection (2.4) in this committee because there was a great inconsistency between the English and French versions of the subsection. There was also some concern that management was only able to do work in relation to conservation measures. I think (2.3) clarified the one I moved forward, and this would add further clarification.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you, Mr. Silva.

I'm going to rule this amendment out of order as well.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

Mario Silva Liberal Davenport, ON

Can I challenge you, Chair?

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Most definitely.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

On a point of order, are we debating it first, or is it debatable after? I don't mean your motion that it is out of order; I'm talking about the amendment in general.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We'll debate that after it's ruled.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

So we're voting to sustain the chair? Okay.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

The vote here is to sustain the decision of the chair, which is that I've ruled the amendment out of order.

(Ruling of the Chair overturned: nays 7; yeas 4)

Okay, my decision has been overturned, so the amendment will stand.

Is there any debate on the amendment? If there's no debate on the amendment, then I call the question. It will be a recorded vote again.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Mr. Chair, can you explain to me the procedure now that the chair's ruling has been overruled? This goes to the House as amended?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

That is correct. And I would suspect that probably the Conservatives will have a point of order with the chair and—

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Savage Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Is that possible? Can you ensure me that won't happen?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

No, just as I can't assure you that you're going to catch your flight either.

Mr. Silva.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Mario Silva Liberal Davenport, ON

Mr. Chair, the only thing that's left is the last.... I guess you want to move part 2.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We've got the Bloc motion BQ-1, which now can't be put because you have amended the same lines, so it will have to be not moved.

Mr. Lake.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Are we going into clause 3 next? Are we voting on clause 2?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We're voting on clause 2 as amended.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I'd like to move a motion after that, but I'll do that.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

All in favour of clause 2 as amended carrying?

5:40 p.m.

An hon. member

Recorded vote, please.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

It will be a recorded vote.

(Clause 2 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Mr. Lake.

5:40 p.m.

Liberal

Mario Silva Liberal Davenport, ON

We haven't finished the bill. Clause 3 needs to be dealt with. I have my amendment that I was going to put forward.