Evidence of meeting #13 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pay.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Barbara Byers  Executive Vice-President, Canadian Labour Congress
Sylvain Schetagne  Senior Economist, Social and Economic Policy Department, Canadian Labour Congress
Chantal Collin  Committee Researcher
John Farrell  Executive Director, Federally Regulated Employers - Transportation and Communications (FETCO)

4:20 p.m.

Senior Economist, Social and Economic Policy Department, Canadian Labour Congress

Sylvain Schetagne

No, I'm not dying to get in, and I hope I'll survive it.

The first thing, of course, is that in order to find a job you need resources. You need...[Technical Difficulty--Editor]...to pay for your phone bill. You need to be able to go to the public library to get access to the Internet to find out what's available. You need to be able to buy the local newspaper.

If you're out of EI benefits, and if you're in a situation where you're not quite eligible for social assistance in your province, what kinds of resources can you put into looking for a job today?

We're really worried about a lot of Canadians right now who are exhausting their benefits. We've been to communities and we've talked to workers through our research projects and our ongoing activities. When we say to them, okay, you're unemployed, and we ask them what happened, they say every time that they were forced to collect EI. That's the first thing. The second thing they do is ask what they are going to do after that, because there are no jobs in their communities.

I was in Miramichi last summer, where the manufacturing base has been destroyed. There were four or five major plants. One of the largest pulp and paper mills is being completely demolished right now. Three thousand jobs have disappeared in that community. People know they're going to run out of benefits. They know there are no jobs in town or in the province. Going to Alberta is no longer the option it used to be.

What are we going to do for them? The extended benefits they're entitled to because of the reforms that have been put in place are going to run out as well. They're not going to have the resources to look for jobs.

One of the things we've been saying about how to rebuild is that we need an industrial policy. How do we create the next jobs? Where do we create them? Can we achieve that? We have ideas. We know what to do.

There are ideas being proposed in that community right now. One is how to use the resources there to restart something, to transform the local resources into energy, for instance. There are proposals on the table, but they're not being examined because there's no industrial strategy.

There are other things that we've proposed, such as procurement policies that would initiate jobs in Canada, and green policies that would create jobs today and provide a better, greener economy in the future.

So there are ideas out there. We just need to move forward and implement them.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you very much for your answers. The hour we've allotted for you has expired, so I want to thank you so much for being here and for the information you've provided. I'll just let you know that you're dismissed at this point.

We'll move forward on our other business.

4:25 p.m.

Executive Vice-President, Canadian Labour Congress

Barbara Byers

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you very much.

4:29 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

We're going to begin, ladies and gentlemen. We have a witness scheduled, but I don't know if he has arrived yet. In the meantime, Madame Folco has something that she would like to bring forward.

Madame Folco.

4:29 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

The point I want to make relates to the words "handicapé" and "déficience". This doesn't really concern the people who are just reading it in English. However, for those of us reading it in French, I very strongly recommend that in this report and all discussions in committee we use the following terms. We could talk about the barriers faced by "personnes handicapées" or barriers that affect "personnes handicapées" rather than the term "invalidité". That refers to a condition, not a person. A person cannot be "invalide". In fact, a person can be, but it has a completely different meaning in French. I don't want to use the committee's time to discuss this question. It isn't a motion, it's a recommendation concerning terminology. It affects everyone around this table and maybe even the people at the back of the room and it would be a great help to us.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Are you suggesting a word that we use in its place?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

In French, I am suggesting we use these words:

"personnes handicapées". In other words, we should talk about people who have a handicap rather than people who are "invalide" or have a "déficience". That is something completely different. This wording was proposed to me and it has been checked in dictionaries. So I suggest that we use the term "personnes handicapées".

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Are there any comments on this from any of the Bloc members?

Mr. Lessard.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Madam Chair, we agree with Ms. Folco. It is entirely accurate to talk about people who have a handicap. The word "invalide" often conveys the idea of illness. Most people who have a handicap are not ill; they have a handicap.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

First of all, thank you very much, Madame Folco, for bringing that forward, because we certainly do want to make sure that the communication in English and en français is correct and accurate. Thank you for that.

If it's the will of the committee, if I have a consensus, then I will instruct the clerk and the analyst to make the change to this. Do I have a consensus?

Everyone's in agreement...?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Je pense qu'elle a le droit--

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Are you saying...?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

I think she is right.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

We checked in the dictionary, Mr. Komarnicki.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Mr. Lessard, did you have another comment?

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

It would be worth asking people who draft material for us regularly for their opinion. These concepts are familiar to them. I don't know whether Ms. Collin agrees.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

Chantal Collin Committee Researcher

The title of the study we will be looking at on Wednesday presents a problem. It refers to "obstacles liés à l'invalidité". These are barriers faced by handicapped people. The term "invalidité" is used only in the Canada Pension Plan.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Yves Lessard Bloc Chambly—Borduas, QC

Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

The issue is the quality of the French. I would also like to note that for April 28 in our calendar it says "etude de projet de raport". The word "étude" takes an acute accent and the word "rapport" has a double p. I know it's a small thing, but I would really like my language to be respected. Thank you.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

That's duly noted. Merci beaucoup.

I think our witness has just arrived, so we'll just give him a moment to take his place and then we'll begin.

Hello, Mr. Farrell, and welcome.

April 26th, 2010 / 4:30 p.m.

John Farrell Executive Director, Federally Regulated Employers - Transportation and Communications (FETCO)

Thank you very much.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Candice Bergen

We're happy that you could be here. We take it that there probably was a delay somewhere on your journey, but it actually worked out very well.

4:30 p.m.

Executive Director, Federally Regulated Employers - Transportation and Communications (FETCO)

John Farrell

Yes, I'm very sorry.