Well, one, I think we should compare notes about source documents, because my reading of the State of the Nation report that a third party--the science council--put out did not paint that gloomy a picture. For example, Canada punches above its weight in regard to citations per capita, which is a major indicator of the quality of research and the number of researchers. In regard to the number of people we support through the various training councils, I think that again is above average.
Where we are weak and where we are in the bottom quartile is in regard to the business investment in R and D. The public sector investment--that would be through government and through universities--in R and D is top quartile; I think we're first or second. As it relates to business investment, we are very, very poor. That is why the government tasked the Jenkins panel to look specifically at why it is that with a great tax credit and with great programs there's not enough business investment in R and D.
On your second point--