Evidence of meeting #29 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was companies.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cam Vidler  Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce
Lorna Wright  EDC Professor of International Business, Director, Centre for Global Enterprise, Schulich School of Business, York University, As an Individual
Keith Head  Professor, Sauder School of Business, Strategy and Business Economics Division, HSBC Professorship of Asian Commerce, University of British Columbia, As an Individual
Karna Gupta  President and Chief Executive Officer, Information Technology Association of Canada

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

We'd like to call the meeting to order. We were delayed a little bit. We are continuing our study on the global markets action plan.

We have with us in this first hour Cam Vidler, director of international policy at the Canadian Chamber of Commerce. Mr. Vidler has been with us a number of times, so we welcome you back to committee.

We have also from York University, Lorna Wright, professor. She is actually delayed because of a flight this morning. I think most of the members can relate to that. She will be joining us, perhaps by the end of the meeting, but as soon as she can, she will. If not, she'll join us in the second hour.

With that, Mr. Vidler, we'll yield the floor to you and hear your presentation and move on to questions and answers. The floor is yours.

11:05 a.m.

Cam Vidler Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to thank the committee for this opportunity to provide comments on the global markets action plan, or as we've all come to call it, the GMAP.

My name is Cam Vidler and I'm the director of international policy at the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, which represents over 200,000 businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions across Canada.

As you know, the Canadian Chamber of Commerce was part of the advisory council that provided input into the GMAP. Upon the announcement of the GMAP, our president, the Honourable Perrin Beatty, called it a “comprehensive international trade strategy that will help businesses of all sizes expand and grow in new markets around the world.”

He added, “By prioritizing markets, focusing on core strengths and ensuring that government services reflect the needs of exporters, the plan is right for the times, and its adaptability will help Canada increase its competitiveness over the long term.”

We continue to hold this view, Mr. Chair.

However, recent signs that Canada's trade has not yet recovered from the recession are causing industry to look at the plan with a renewed sense of urgency. Earlier this month, the Governor of the Bank of Canada told the Commons finance committee that Canada's exports are $40 billion lower than where they should be, according to the bank's models. There are in fact now 9,000 fewer firms exporting than in 2008, and the problem isn't limited to exports. Businesses are reluctant to invest abroad as well, especially in emerging and frontier markets where the bulk of future growth opportunities lies. According to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, only 1.5% of Canada's foreign investment stock is located currently in developing countries in Asia or Africa. This is by far the lowest share among the G-7. Once the epitome of a trading nation, clearly Canada is quickly falling behind our peers.

The GMAP holds the potential to get our trade and investment back on track. Its focus on key markets and sectors should make our existing efforts more effective, and the ongoing push to sign trade and investment agreements, such as the ones recently announced with Europe and Korea, is very important. But we need to do much more.

I'd like to focus here on the GMAP's commitment to a new trade promotion plan that promises to enhance the services available to Canadian companies and ensure that Canada's diplomatic presence is leveraged to support our businesses on the ground.

As you may be aware, on Monday, the Canadian Chamber of Commerce released a new report titled Turning it Around: How to Restore Canada's Trade Success. I've circulated copies to the committee. Based on consultations with our members and a look at what our competitor countries are doing in this area, the report offers a set of recommendations under four themes.

The first theme is that we need to make the most of what we already have by integrating trade services and connecting them with businesses. There are literally dozens of departments and agencies at the federal and provincial levels offering valuable training, business development, financing, and marketing support for international expansion, but these efforts are often poorly coordinated and the system is very difficult to navigate, particularly for SMEs, which are largely the target of the global markets action plan.

Service providers need to be better at working together and sharing information on their domestic clients and foreign leads. We understand that the government is already taking steps to do this. An MOU between Export Development Canada and Business Development Canada, for instance, has led to a rapid rise in the number of two-way referrals. A similar MOU has been signed recently between the trade commissioner service and Export Development Canada. We would encourage the government to deepen and broaden these coordination efforts to include other federal departments and ministries that may be involved in international trade promotion, as well as provincial agencies that play a role in what we can increasingly call a trade promotion ecosystem. We should also explore an online portal that would bring together all of these services, as well as up-to-date market intelligence and leads on foreign opportunities, in a way that is easily accessible for businesses.

Second, we need to put the business back in Canada's global brand. International polls repeatedly show that Canada's reputation is virtually unmatched, and this government can take a lot of credit for the economic management that has helped to perpetuate that reputation. But we need to do a better job of extending this brand into the business realm and not just as a destination for investment. High-level business representation on state visits would help bridge the awareness gap. CEOs are often approached just days before prime ministerial trips. One suggestion we have is that the Prime Minister could appoint a special trade ambassador from the private sector who would be dedicated to working closely with the provinces and the heads of major Canadian companies to organize high-level delegations to priority markets under the national banner.

We should also consider a more active national branding program that would monitor and manage our business reputation among those of key influence in priority markets. Currently a lot of our national branding efforts are fragmented according to specific sector objectives and are not united in a more holistic story about Canada's business capabilities.

Third, we need to strengthen the front lines. The trade commissioner service is at the heart of Canada' s economic diplomacy, and they need to have the resources and skills set to get the job done right. Despite rising service requests, budgets and staffing are at the same level as they were in 2007 and are set to stay flat for the foreseeable future. As a share of GDP, the United Kingdom now spends twice as much as Canada on its trade diplomats.

Finally, we need to do a better job of connecting trade and aid. The government has taken some steps in this direction, but we have some more specific suggestions. The involvement of Canadian business in international development projects is currently well below its potential. Canada should make more use of direct programming, managed by Canada with target countries. Nearly 80% of our official aid in 2013 went to foreign agencies, often on a sole-sourced basis, and tenders on federal websites for international development projects have slowed to a trickle. More could be done to connect Canadian expertise to multilateral development banks and international humanitarian institutions, where our share of contracts is particularly low relative to other countries.

The government also needs to expand the financing tools it has to stimulate Canadian private investment in developing countries. For decades, Canada has been the only G-7 country not to have a dedicated national development finance institution that can offer concessional loans, equity, risk guarantees, and grants for technical assistance and feasibility studies.

The serious decline in Canada' s trade performance deserves immediate attention. The GMAP certainly points in the right direction, but we need to do more than just sign trade agreements and shuffle resources within our existing trade promotion model. The time has come for bold action, to make sure our companies have the best tools and the muscles behind them to succeed in an increasingly competitive world.

Thank you.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

We'll move to questions and answers, and we'll start with Monsieur Morin.

The floor is yours.

11:10 a.m.

NDP

Marc-André Morin NDP Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Good morning, Mr. Vidler.

In a report published on May 12, the Chamber of Commerce states that free trade agreements are not enough to reverse Canada’s poor trade performance in the last decade.

In your view, why has our performance been so disappointing? Could you give us reasons or point to specific facts that would explain that situation?

11:10 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

Merci beaucoup.

To start off, there are lots of different reasons why Canada's trade performance has been below potential, and we don't want to say that trade promotion, economic diplomacy, is a panacea. It is one of the many tools we have available to get our trade back on track.

The efficiency of our transportation infrastructure, the efficiency of our customs administration, the productivity of Canadian businesses, our access to skills, all matter immensely to the competitiveness of Canadian companies.

Free trade agreements are an essential part of the solution. We need to crack open markets that have barriers at the borders. We need to lower tariffs to Canadian products. We need to protect Canadian investments in those markets.

What we have focused on in this report is the set of policy tools that essentially help businesses get in through the doors that are opened by free trade agreements. While we have a lot of the tools at our disposal, the point we are making is that these are not always being leveraged to their full potential. In some cases, the tools need to be sharpened, and in other cases we need to make sure we have certain tools that we currently don't have at our disposal.

11:10 a.m.

NDP

Marc-André Morin NDP Laurentides—Labelle, QC

The report also notes that Canada should take parallel measures to assist the promotional services of trade agreements and strengthen the support provided to businesses abroad.

What steps do you feel that entails?

11:10 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

Mr. Chair, I would answer that question by pointing to the four general areas that we've suggested, which are to integrate our service offering, connecting it to business—making sure these agencies are working better together and companies are made aware of these services—and that companies don't have to experience hurdles to access these different government programs. Beyond that is a focus on marketing Canada's business brand. Third is to ensure that the boots on the ground, so to speak, our diplomatic presence, remains robust and competitive with other OECD countries. Finally, it's that we do what we can to help Canadian companies connect with Canada's international development objectives, which can be a very important tool for companies to get a foothold in these markets.

11:15 a.m.

NDP

Marc-André Morin NDP Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Do you believe that, aside from the diplomatic support and the other measures that the government could introduce, there are improvements to be made to our industrial strategy, such as with our transportation infrastructure, for example?

11:15 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

Mr. Chair, there are certainly things that we can do beyond focusing on economic diplomacy and trade promotion. I think some of that is probably beyond the scope of this committee, but I would point again to transportation infrastructure, as a member of the committee just mentioned. There has been a report recently, or a presentation that has been circulated to me recently, by Professor Charles McMillan at the Schulich School of Business, which looks at the competitiveness of the Asia-Pacific gateway.

If you look, I believe there has not been a reduction in the time to market between key export sources in Canada and ultimate export from the port of Vancouver. There are many factors at play here. We need to make sure that the logistics and the supply chains work seamlessly. I think that certainly would help get Canada's exports going again.

11:15 a.m.

NDP

Marc-André Morin NDP Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Thank you.

One of the objectives is to enhance the presence of SMEs in emerging markets. But statistics show that trade in Canada is generally led by larger companies. SMEs do not have a lot of success in penetrating new markets.

Do you think that the GMAP’s objectives are realistic? Is there a cost associated with measures like that?

11:15 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

I would say the point that large companies can succeed more in emerging markets is probably true. They're able to distribute risk across their larger operations. They can sustain a sort of beachhead in markets for a longer period before they would see revenues being realized.

That said, there is also research out there that shows that SMEs in Canada have been fairly successful or increasingly successful in these markets, and are going there. This can be strengthened obviously by some of the measures we talked about here; connecting those businesses with those services, showing them how they can use them.

Another point that should be made, though, is that large companies also require trade promotion support and economic diplomacy. When we help our larger companies enter a market, and build relationships with new customers, new suppliers, they often are going to bring with them a longer supply chain of Canadian SMEs. Oftentimes, the objective of achieving more SME penetration in emerging markets can be equally achieved by working with some of Canada's leading companies that have supply chains here in Canada. In some cases, it may be more strategic to do so because there'll be one or two points of contact that the Canadian government can work with that will then distribute down to their SME supply chain.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

Mr. O'Toole, go ahead.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vidler. I appreciate your returning to the committee. Your last time here was during our meetings on CETA and so that was appreciated.

Your report title is an interesting one, “Turning it Around: How to Restore Canada’s Trade Success”. In it you had a number of things I'll explore in a moment. But would it not be fair to say that a large challenge with trade in the last number of years since 2008–09 is really the sluggish economic performance of some of our largest markets, the U.S. and Europe for instance, and that would be a large part of the equation?

11:15 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

The significant slowdown of the European and U.S. economies after the recession certainly hit Canadian companies pretty hard. Part of that is because the Canadian economy is so dependent on those markets and that we had not made inroads into some of the emerging economies earlier.

At the same time, the emerging economies are partly what kept us afloat. If you look at commodity prices, for instances, those were sustained by China, and a lot of what we sell in those markets continued to grow, agrifood, minerals—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

If you look at resources and agriculture, demand remained high, including in Asia and some parts of the world, but in some of our traditional markets, their import demand was a little sluggish.

11:20 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

That's certainly the case.

I would add, though, that if you look at our market share in the United States .... If it is the case that it was just the U.S. slowdown that explains Canada's trade performance, you wouldn't necessarily see a reduction in the share of U.S. imports that are coming from Canada, and you have seen that. Not only were we hit by the systemic slowdown of the U.S. economy, but we've been losing our competitive position in the U.S economy over that time vis-à-vis our competitors.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

I appreciated reading your report from earlier this week. In many ways I used it as check mark of programs that we're already undertaking: integrating trade services, bringing business back—and I'll explore that in a moment—and strengthening the front lines. I'm sure you saw the minister's announcement about the integration of trade commissioners within industry sectors yesterday. Too bad we didn't do that last week, before your report. Then there's connecting trade and aid programs, which is certainly our economic diplomacy, and the merger of DFATD. We're doing all of them.

Bringing business back in Canada's brand is an interesting one. Some might suggest—and you could read Andrea Mandel-Campbell's book Why Mexicans don't drink Molson—business has never been in Canada's brand. We're actually trying to put it there, not restore it.

Regarding your proposal on a trade ambassador, is that modelled on the United States Trade Representative?

11:20 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

Mr. Chair, I'll respond to the last part of that question about the trade ambassador.

It's not modelled on the USTR. I think the equivalent USTR position in Canada would be Minister Fast, the Minister of International Trade. This would be an additional position, which would largely be focused on basically corralling or “herding the cats”, so to speak, of Canadian business, of different cabinet ministers, maybe provincial-level folks too, to bring a high-level presence to priority Canadian markets.

The model that we look at in the paper is the model that New Zealand has used. They've created a position of a special envoy for agricultural trade. They go to a leading business executive or trade leader from the country and have them represent the New Zealand agricultural brand around the world, pursue specific opportunities, and work as a sort of coordinating point.

I think it's a bit unfair, to a certain extent, to have to rely on Minister Fast or Minister Baird, or even the Prime Minister, to be the ones who are going out there with businesses all the time and opening those doors at the highest levels of government, in markets like China and India. They have a lot of domestic political obligations, and there are also security concerns that can inhibit the ability for us to mobilize a united front.

With this trade ambassador role, because it would be dedicated for that purpose, I think it could help us on some of the coordination problems.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

There are two points that I'd like to raise on that.

The reason I raised the USTR is because it's not equivalent to Minister Fast. In fact, the USTR is not a cabinet position. As you probably know, it's an office of the President. We actually have a cabinet minister dedicated to international trade.

I'd like you to contrast your suggestion with what the C.D. Howe report from April said. It actually showed that reinvigorating the ambassadors themselves, and the trade commissioner service within that construct, that government-to-government..., was part of their suggestion on the impact of diplomatic representation of Canada's interests abroad.

Do you not feel that those positions, with a total approach to diplomacy, including trade, is far better than one roving ambassador, who I guess would report to the minister of trade or the Prime Minister? We have a cabinet level position for international trade. I'd like your comments, contrasting with C.D. Howe's.

11:20 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

Certainly.

I've read the C.D. Howe report, and I think it's a fantastic report. My view of the report is that it would support a position such as an additional trade ambassador. We're not talking about either/or here. We need to have the ambassadors on the ground in the markets full-time. We need to have the trade commissioners on the ground there as well.

When it comes to bringing CEO-level representatives from Canada, who bring the best of the best from Canada and show them off to these markets—markets that are being visited by 20 or 30 different countries a year, at the highest of levels, with their entire business community—I think that having a trade ambassador would be a complement to what we already have in place.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Erin O'Toole Conservative Durham, ON

Do you not see that there's potential for some confusion? I find even meeting with diplomats, trying to explain what the parliamentary secretary for trade is...but when we have ambassadors, we have a Minister of International Trade and then a special envoy. Is it hard to explain that to our foreign partners?

11:25 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

I think that's a good point. Again, I would refer to the New Zealand model, which has been quite successful. Perhaps you call it a trade envoy. We could look into the semantics. I think the suggestion that we're providing in this paper is obviously something we can look at in detail and adjust according to what we feel is most appropriate. I think the more fundamental point was that we just need to have better coordination at the highest levels of business and government in order to really penetrate these markets.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you.

Mr. Pacetti.

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Vidler.

My first question would be, you asked for more trade commissioners, so where specifically are you asking for more trade commissioners? Is it for certain parts of the world, or in all countries? Can you explain that?

11:25 a.m.

Director, International Policy, Canadian Chamber of Commerce

Cam Vidler

I think the GMAP does a good job of pointing out priority markets for Canada, so we should probably be looking at enhancing our presence there. Steps have been taken over the past years, though, to shift trade commissioners from perhaps markets that we consider more traditional markets, that perhaps companies don't need as much service in, toward other markets. If you look at our presence in China, it's expanded quite significantly.

I think the point also needs to be made here that the trade commissioner service also plays an essential role in markets like the United States and Europe. If we look at CETA and the implementation of CETA and at trying to realize the benefits that have opened up through that agreement, we need to—