Evidence of meeting #45 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was offences.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Carole Morency  Acting General Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chairman—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

I'll tell you, I'm very pleased about that.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chairman, could you please tell the minister that if he wants to speak to the representatives of the Liberal Party, he not do so during the time I have for questions? Therefore, can I get back the 44 seconds which I lost? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

But to be fair, the problems with proroguing, when we did the proroguing—

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chairman—

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Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

—were the problems we were having with the Liberal-dominated Senate.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Chairman, once again—

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Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

I don't want to be blaming you, Monsieur Lemay—

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

No, but—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

—for something you're not to blame for. Good heavens, I wouldn't do that.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Chairman—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Order, order.

Could I have just one moment of your time?

I think now is the time for us to dial down the rhetoric and get back to the bill that's at hand. So I ask all of us now to sort of treat each other a little bit more civilly, and let's get to the nuts and bolts of the bill itself.

Monsieur Lemay, continue.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I have not done anything, Mr. Chairman. The Liberal Party and the minister are arguing. Can I have my minute? I will be specific.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Monsieur Lemay, I wasn't just referring to you. I was referring to all of us here. I think we need to tone down the rhetoric a little bit so we can get something done.

You've got the floor again.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Mr. Minister, I carefully read Bill C-54. Someone from Quebec City might soon come into my riding and say the opposite, but this is a good bill, apart from some provisions which would impose minimum prison sentences for offences which already exist.

Is the purpose of these minimum prison sentences to prevent the courts from imposing conditional sentences, yes or no?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Among other things, we don't want to have conditional sentences or house arrest in these areas. But I'm pleased to hear you say that this is a good bill.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

No.

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Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

I know you had some problems with the mandatory sentencing, but....

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

So you agree with me.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

We'll see.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

No. Not so fast! That was a double-edged compliment.

I would suggest that you split the bill.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

My goodness.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Hold on. You want us to—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Nicholson Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

I'm so sorry, and this is such great legislation.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

No. This is what I am suggesting. Listen to your officials. You want us to catch sexual predators who operate on the Internet. I agree with that. And if you agree with me, we will quickly pass section 13, which would create section 171.1 in the Criminal Code.

Could we just do that and discuss the rest later?