Evidence of meeting #38 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was person.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Commissioner Raf Souccar  Assistant Commissioner, Federal and International Operations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Superintendent Derek R. Ogden  Director General, Drugs and Organized Crime, Federal and International Operations, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
David Bird  Counsel, RCMP Legal Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
William Bartlett  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice Canada

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

We'll go to our last round now.

Ms. Barnes.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Thank you very much.

You've talked a number of times about the protection agreement. I would imagine there are some boilerplate clauses—

Mr. Comartin?

12:15 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Mr. Chair, you missed both Mr. Ménard and me on the second round.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

You can have another turn, but you didn't get missed. She's on because I'm following the schedule here. The NDP don't get another turn until everybody has had a turn, and Ms. Barnes continues to use the turn for her party.

12:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

It's not Ms. Barnes we're hearing from; it's the Liberal Party we're hearing from at this point. Actually, she's probably better than the Liberal Party, Mr. Chair.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay, go ahead.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

On that note, I'll cede my colleague some time.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Ms. Barnes.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I still have questions.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Go ahead. It is your turn.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

In regard to the protection agreements, can you send some of those boilerplates to the clerk so they're available to all of us?

12:20 p.m.

A/Commr Raf Souccar

I'll have to look at them. We just want to make sure they're not violating any portions of the act. By all means, if there are no violations of the law, you will have them.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I'll make that very clear. I do not ask you to violate any questions here.

12:20 p.m.

A/Commr Raf Souccar

To that extent, yes.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Okay, thank you.

Mr. Bartlett, this is about the federal-provincial ministers of justice meeting. This act is relatively new. Is it on a future agenda? Are there current, ongoing negotiations? We've heard about some of these municipal-provincial, without statutory—Is there anything in the hopper that you've heard of coming from any of the other jurisdictions where they want this act discussed?

12:20 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice Canada

William Bartlett

I'm not aware of its being on a prospective agenda for a minister's meeting or of any desire from other jurisdictions to have it put on.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

What about in our own jurisdiction? What about the federal? Are we planning on it?

12:20 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice Canada

William Bartlett

Not to my knowledge. The concerns that have arisen lately may well lead to that occurring, although usually before it makes it onto a minister's agenda there's discussion at the officials level. Now, there have been some discussions that I've been party to, but not that would lead me to suspect that it's likely to appear on a minister's agenda.

But as for the minister's agenda for this fall—the meeting's in November, it's some time away—I'm not aware of any draft agenda at this point, and there's lots of time for somebody to raise it.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Thank you very much.

In the interest of helping out my colleagues, I'm going to let them continue.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Mr. Ménard.

12:20 p.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I'd like Mr. Comartin to have my time, because I prepared myself for the wrong bill.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Mr. Comartin, it is your lucky day.

12:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to thank Mr. Ménard for his generosity.

From media reports, there was an indication that Minister Day had asked for a briefing. Assistant Commissioner Souccar, you indicated in response to that publicly that there was a limited amount that you could provide him. Has the briefing been given to the minister? You don't have to tell me what was in it, just whether it occurred.

12:20 p.m.

A/Commr Raf Souccar

I did not provide a briefing to Minister Day.

12:20 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

Has anybody from the RCMP provided a briefing to Minister Day?