Evidence of meeting #62 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Suzanne Vinet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
François Guimont  President, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Andrew Marsland  Assistant Deputy Minister, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Nada Semaan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Farm Financial Programs Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
André Gravel  Acting Vice-President, Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

4:50 p.m.

President, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

François Guimont

As I was explaining, if there is a potential relationship between the pet food in question and salmonella or another contaminant that can be a human health hazard, we will contact Health Canada and explain the situation. Health Canada will say that they think we have grounds to do a so-called level one, level two, or level three recall.

Level one implies a potentially serious health impact. That gives CFIA the technical scientific advice for us to proceed with that recall. The connection would be a human health connection. It would not be, to be clear, because of kidney failure in a dog. It's unfortunate, but that would not be a trigger for us at the current time.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

You have about 13 seconds left.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Would the old Bill C-27 have covered that?

4:55 p.m.

President, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

François Guimont

I'll defer to Mr. Gravel, who is more familiar with this bill than I am.

4:55 p.m.

André Gravel Acting Vice-President, Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

The proposed Bill C-27 was not addressing a pet food issue but would have given the agency more power on imports. There was no provision in Bill C-27, as introduced, that gave regulatory authority to the agency to control pet food. It created enabling powers for the agency that may have been used to draft regulations, but there was nothing specific on pet food.

To build on what Mr. Guimont mentioned, the agency intervened in a couple of cases with a recall of pet treats--pigs' ears, as an example--that were contaminated with salmonella. But it was strictly on the basis that these things were seen as a health hazard for humans.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

Mr. Anderson.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I still want to follow up a little bit on those issues. There seems to be more of a public concern about food safety in terms of import of food. I'm just wondering, what is the strategy for the future, as far as the CFIA is concerned, in terms of dealing with agrifood imports that are coming from countries that may have lower standards than we do? What's your specific strategy for dealing with that?

4:55 p.m.

President, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

François Guimont

Thank you for the question.

Frankly, I want just to go back to pet food, because it's a case in point that points in the direction of imports coming from other countries, even if it's pet-related. When we were made aware of that situation by our U.S. colleagues, we just spoke about the regulatory structure not being present, but we were very alert in case the wheat gluten in question that was contaminated by melamine might have found its way into the human food supply. So we were, essentially, very much up to speed as to what was happening.

We have a border lookout. The terminology implies that any wheat gluten coming from China is stopped at the border, and essentially we hold and test it to make sure there's not a presence of melamine. So we did that.

As this thing progressed, we moved from that level specific to wheat gluten, which was the original story, and we kicked it up as we heard about rice gluten, and then we heard about a corn gluten issue in South Africa, if I remember. So we went from wheat to a lookout with the CBSA on corn, rice, wheat--obviously--and soy, if I remember, just to make sure that the basket was as broad as possible, again working in tandem with the U.S.

More recently, we've kicked that up further to vegetable protein concentrate, which can have more than gluten. Essentially what we've done is a lookout, hold, and test. Not only have we looked now at melamine as a potential contaminant, we have a broader suite of tests carried out on those inputs--that's what I call them. So that's what we've done.

Now, about your question more specifically, as you may imagine, in the organization and in the United States, probably worldwide, people are watching and they're asking, “How do we wrap our minds around this?” In CFIA we're going to be creating a relocation of resources to take a broader approach to looking at where major sources of inputs or foods are coming from other countries. We always take a risk-based approach.

We're going to give, for the larger volumes and the higher risk, and we're going to do some tests, essentially. We are doing that in our run-of-the-mill operation. We work through a number of projects for inputs or imports that we're getting from other countries, but now we're going to go to a higher level, with more effort, to carry out that sampling. Obviously inputs coming from China are an example, but it can be other countries as well.

Again, it's not necessarily about one country. It's about where is the largest source of food supply coming into the country, and taking what I would call a country profile, based on risk, volume, and potential pathways and inclusion into our food supply in Canada. So that's the approach we're taking.

Frankly, this action plan that I'm talking to you about is something that we're fleshing out as we speak. That's what we're doing right now. This issue is being looked into in a very serious fashion.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I'll just remind committee members that we do have CFIA back in here on Thursday. We don't have people from the department back on Thursday.

5 p.m.

Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

I'm going to change my direction a little bit, then.

Organics are a constantly growing part of the agricultural industry. In my area right now, particularly, it has to do with organic grains. Farmers are coming to us and saying they want to be able to market their own grain. The Wheat Board does not market it for them. They would like to market that and have the freedom to do that.

I found it interesting that organic farming is not mentioned in your document on plans and priorities. I'm just wondering, how does organic farming specifically fit in the government's plans and priorities? Where do you see your role in that?

5 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Andrew Marsland

Thank you for the question.

We view the organics sector as an important part of the sector in terms of the market development possibilities it offers. We recently set up a national organics value chain round table. It recently had its second meeting, and it's setting out a work plan for the industry in terms of the issues the industry needs to address. Obviously, we'll be dedicating resources to support that round table and following up on the proposals it comes forward with.

As you know, recently, the--

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Conservative

David Anderson Conservative Cypress Hills—Grasslands, SK

Can I ask you one question as you're talking about that? In the past, organics have been typically at a premium in the marketplace. In some areas now there are enough of them being produced that their prices are coming down to where they're not that far off from the regular products.

When you're doing your planning, do you plan that they will be at a premium, or are you planning that they will be a regular part of the marketplace?

5 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Market and Industry Services Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Andrew Marsland

I think typically people have talked about a 20% growth rate on premiums available to organics. That probably differs by product and so on.

One of the strengths of the round table and what we hope to come out of it is the kind of exercise we've seen in the other round tables. They have looked at the market opportunities, the challenges and the opportunities, and have developed industry strategies, which we would then support, to take advantage of those. One will be scoping out the market, looking ahead over the next few years, and seeing if those premiums are projected to continue and so on.

From the two meetings we've had with the national value chain round table, it's clear there's a lot of optimism in the industry. But it's a new industry, and the sector doesn't have some of the depth we see in other parts of the sector in terms of understanding the outlook towards the medium term.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

Mr. Atamanenko.

5 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll get to CFIA on Thursday then.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

You're on.

5 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Okay.

We've talked about vision. It has come up over the last two weeks that we've been touring the country, this whole idea of food security in Canada, of buying Canadian, of comparing with the U.S. institutional program and encouraging institutions to buy Canadian produce. There's also food security vis-à-vis open market and globalization; some people have concerns. In the work you've been doing, and looking into the future, how has this entered into the overall planning of securing a food supply in our country?

I'll just open that up to anybody.

5 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Suzanne Vinet

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

We've been holding consultations since late 2006. We've been hearing a lot of the same thematic areas, if you will, or the same issues that you've been hearing. Certainly the whole idea of giving importance to the domestic market has been a prevalent idea.

As we're evolving the work along with the industry in terms of developing the next framework, we're going to be looking at some of those key areas, including how to better connect the knowledge of the consumer with what's being produced in Canada. We have to understand that about 70% of what Canadians consume is produced in Canada. There's already a high degree of correlation between what Canadians eat and what's produced in Canada.

So we obviously have to do a much better job of sharing information collectively--not just governments but industry as well, working together with provinces and the industry--and making sure there's a better understanding of the food system in Canada, looking at the kind of initiatives we have in place that will assist the industry in sharing that information with the sector, and doing more branding in terms of Canadian products and Canadian product attributes.

All of these ideas are being taken fully into consideration. We've just finished two large rounds of consultation across the country. We've received input from over 3,000 farmers and stakeholders who have a direct interest in the sector. We're just in the throes of reflecting on this information. As we prepare to make recommendations to ministers on how to move the framework, we are taking into consideration a number of these points that have been raised.

5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

So apart from just sharing, there is perhaps the possibility that we'll have a “buy Canadian” program--in British Columbia we had “buy B.C.”, and then it was kind of scrapped--with the idea that there will be a shift from our federal government, not only through this sharing but also through a definite and specific program, to encourage Canadians to buy Canadian products.

5:05 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

Suzanne Vinet

We have not yet made decisions as to what specific programs there will be, but there is certainly currently an initiative on branding Canadian products.

We'll have to evaluate how much further to take this, what kind of changes are required as part of the work we're doing with the industry and the provinces, and the best way to advance the interests of the sector.

5:05 p.m.

NDP

Alex Atamanenko NDP British Columbia Southern Interior, BC

Thank you.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

Mr. Hubbard.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Going by my sheet, we have six assistant deputy ministers here this afternoon. Are there more than that? Do we have all the assistant deputies here?

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I believe there are five at the table.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Charles Hubbard Liberal Miramichi, NB

But the sheet lists six. Are there more than six?