Evidence of meeting #5 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was products.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Ross  Vice-President, Trade Policy and Crop Protection, Canada Grains Council
Citeau  Vice-President, International Trade, Canadian Meat Council
Correa  Vice-President, Market Access and Technical Affairs, Canadian Meat Council
Kolz  Vice-President, Government Affairs, CropLife Canada
Bergeron  Vice-President, Chemistry, CropLife Canada
Farrell  Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada
Poitras  Director of Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Food and Beverage Canada
Graydon  Chief Executive Officer, Food, Health & Consumer Products of Canada
Doyon  Senior Vice-President General, Union des producteurs agricoles
Colton-Gagnon  Coordinator, Union des producteurs agricoles

Paul Doyon Senior Vice-President General, Union des producteurs agricoles

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My name is Paul Doyon. I am senior vice president general of Union des producteurs agricoles, or UPA. I am also a dairy and field crop producer in Saint-Joseph-des-Érables in the Chaudière-Appalaches region.

My remarks will mostly focus on the Pest Management Regulatory Agency, or PMRA, and Health Canada. Their job is to ensure that registered pesticides, when used in compliance with the user instructions on the label, pose no risk to health and the environment and are effective in crop protection.

UPA appreciates the fact the PMRA’s opinions are independent. We’d like to highlight the agency’s efforts for transparency over the past few years to strengthen its capacity to monitor environmental and human health risks linked to the use of pesticides.

Last winter, Health Canada held public consultations on the regulations amending the pest control products fees and charges regulations, which propose to increase the annual charge payable by registrants. We think it would be prudent to have the large majority, if not all, of the post-market regulatory costs continue to be funded from public funds. This would lend the process credibility and help strengthen public trust in the regulatory system.

The fact is that the many issues farmers have raised for years, particularly delays in processing registration and reviewing pest control products, have not been addressed. These issues were highlighted when we had extreme precipitation in 2023. Situations like these can have significant economic consequences for farming businesses.

A responsive system is crucial, particularly now as climate change intensifies pest pressures and pesticide resistance continues to rise. We believe that more human and financial resources are needed to ensure the registration process reflects the realities of agricultural businesses.

We have seen the Red Tape Reduction Progress Report tabled by Health Canada and would like to reiterate the importance of being fully transparent in the ongoing process to maintain continued public confidence.

The proposed measure to expand international joint reviews for pest control products seems self-evident. Many pesticide standards already have international consensus. This approach would make Canadian agricultural businesses more competitive by allowing the registration of pest control products in all participating countries.

The proposed measure to ensure continuous oversight could result in reduced wait times and better resource allocation to respond to user requirements, particularly in critical situations.

We can’t comment on the proportional effort policy referenced because the details are not fully known and there has been no public consultation in relation to that.

On the surface, the proposed measure to modernize labelling appears to address our demands, including providing standardized information. Farmers rely on labels during phytosanitary preparation and treatment and so at a minimum, the information should be easily identifiable.

Admittedly, the current economic climate calls for regulatory reform and careful management of public funds, but these should not in any way come at the expense of the oversight body that we know as the PMRA, which we trust. The resulting red tape reduction must serve as a lever to enhance competitiveness and provide agricultural businesses, which contribute to the vitality of Canada’s economy, incentive to innovate.

This is all a step in the right direction. However, it’s hard for us to see concrete gains in the everyday lives of agricultural producers. Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you so much.

Thank you to all of our presenters.

We'll start the first round. We're going to do six minutes.

We'll start with the Conservatives and Mr. Gourde.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Poitras, you talked about the plastic-related problem. Can you share some more thoughts to give us more insight?

4:50 p.m.

Director of Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Food and Beverage Canada

Jean-Emmanuel Poitras

If I may, I’ll hand over to my colleague Ms. Farrell, who’s much more knowledgeable on matters of plastics.

4:50 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada

Kristina Farrell

Thank you.

Companies right now have to deal with EPR systems across provinces and across the country. These look different from province to province.

We also have, with the federal government, the federal plastics registry, which in most cases is duplicative of these efforts and the information that companies already need to provide. It's really just an additional compliance burden and an additional cost for companies of all sizes to respond to it.

We would recommend that the federal government play a role in harmonizing across the provinces and across the country instead of duplicating efforts on plastics.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Innovation Canada has a program that helps processors, but I’ve heard that there are access challenges. For instance, innovations developed using foreign technology are currently not eligible for support and yet innovation has occurred. Can you provide more details on that?

4:55 p.m.

Director of Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Food and Beverage Canada

Jean-Emmanuel Poitras

Our members have either told us that existing financial assistance programs to drive innovation are too restrictive or that the definition of “innovation” is not applicable because it does not always apply to the agri-food sector.

We often hear that to qualify for funding through existing programs, the proposed technology must be entirely new in Canada and not previously available. That’s why we often hear concerns about how difficult it is to access current programs.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Thank you very much.

Mr. Graydon, you said that there was a need to strengthen food self-sufficiency in Canada. Can you provide more details on that?

4:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food, Health & Consumer Products of Canada

Michael Graydon

Yes. We've seen a significant evaporation of manufacturing capacity in Canada.

If you look at the last 25 years, we're probably looking at 30% of our capacity disappearing. As we've gone through the trade issues with the United States and there has been restrictiveness in regard to access to products, you're seeing, because of our high dependency on trade in the United States, an imbalance of products made in Canada and on Canadian shelves.

If you were to go back 25 years, we wouldn't be having 55% of the products on shelves being from the United States. They probably would have been 75% manufactured here in Canada. Companies have decided to exit the country and utilize Canada more as a distribution centre than a centre of manufacturing capacity.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Doyon, as you’re well aware, we have a very strong pork industry in our Chaudière-Appalaches region. However, China’s tariffs have had a significant impact on producers. Do you have any recommendations for us on that subject?

4:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President General, Union des producteurs agricoles

Paul Doyon

It would be easier to talk to pork producers in Quebec. I can’t give you that information today.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

I know that the new Bill C‑5 seeks to harmonize regulations in processing companies or meat plants to facilitate trade between provinces. Could this hurt our credibility when it comes to international exports?

4:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President General, Union des producteurs agricoles

Paul Doyon

There’s no doubt that producing for export requires regulations that are as consistent as possible throughout the country. However, as I mentioned earlier, I’m not an expert in pork matters and so I’ll leave it to the experts to contact you to answer your questions.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Let’s talk about pesticides.

Producers in our region of Chaudière-Appalaches would also like to make more use of drones to dispense pesticides. However, many products are not yet registered to be sprayed by drone. What recommendations would you give this committee on that subject?

4:55 p.m.

Senior Vice-President General, Union des producteurs agricoles

Paul Doyon

I think we need to dedicate time to learning if we want to make a positive difference. We need to use available technologies, provided we do so safely.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Graydon, you said that our products have too many labels. Can you provide more details on that?

4:55 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food, Health & Consumer Products of Canada

Michael Graydon

With front-of-pack labelling coming into play now and some discussions on Environment Canada wanting recycling labelling, it's just becoming wallpaper. It's not an effective communication.

In today's world of technology, QR codes could provide information to the consumer to make informed choices, and that information could be changed on the spot, whereas today we have to go through massive changes for redesign of packaging and potential packaging writeoffs, and that can take a longer period of time versus real-time change. I think our packaging regulations need to become products of the 20th century.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Jacques Gourde Conservative Lévis—Lotbinière, QC

Mr. Chair, I wish to thank the witnesses. That’s all from me.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Next we'll go to MP Harrison for six minutes.

Emma Harrison Liberal Peterborough, ON

Thank you.

Mr. Graydon, you mentioned a clear and more competitive path forward. In respect to that, can you point to any successful examples in other countries of reducing regulatory burdens while maintaining food safety that you think we should consider looking at here in Canada?

5 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food, Health & Consumer Products of Canada

Michael Graydon

There are some that have happened here in Canada recently. As an example, flour in this country needs to be fortified. Unfortunately, from a perspective of exporting to Europe, there are regulations that prohibit fortified flour, so it's closed off an export opportunity.

Fortunately, because of some intervention with Health Canada and the CFIA, we have been able to free up the opportunity to bring non-fortified flour into the manufacturing process for the purposes of distribution to Europe. In this example, a member organization has large assets in Europe, but its capacity couldn't meet demand from the consumer. It has one of the largest manufacturing plants in North America here in Ontario and it had the opportunity to utilize that capacity for the purposes of export.

I think those are the types of things we've experienced.

We're also seeing it in plastics with the new single-use plastics. We can no longer use straws on single-use juice containers, but the United States will not purchase paper straws, so we are now working with the government in hopes of trying to get some revisions, so that at least for the purposes of export, we can utilize plastic straws on single-use containers for the purposes of distribution to the United States.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Emma Harrison Liberal Peterborough, ON

Thank you so much.

Ms. Farrell, what role does Food and Beverage Canada see for digital transformation and data modernization in reducing administrative burdens on industry stakeholders? How can the government policies better support the adoption of these technologies?

5 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada

Kristina Farrell

For our companies, it's anything that can make responding to regulations, to CFIA and to Health Canada easier. It's not only reducing regulatory burden; it's also making the process much easier. We talked about moving from faxes to being able to do it electronically.

My colleague might have more to add.

5 p.m.

Director of Policy and Regulatory Affairs, Food and Beverage Canada

Jean-Emmanuel Poitras

Thank you.

CFIA’s progress report states that the agency will introduce many digital certificates. This will reduce human error and make international trade more seamless. This is another step in the right direction.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Emma Harrison Liberal Peterborough, ON

Again, this is for Food and Beverage Canada.

Given the increasing complexity of global supply chains and trade agreements, what strategy does Food and Beverage Canada recommend to reduce regulatory barriers that currently delay market access for Canadian food and beverage exporters?