Evidence of meeting #25 for Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
A recording is available from Parliament.
1:35 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
So NDP-3 is not moved.
We'll have a recorded vote on clause 2.
(Clause 2 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 5)
(On clause 3)
1:35 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Clause 3 deals with definitions.
We'll start with NDP-4 on page 7. It's identical to L-4, by the way.
1:35 p.m.
NDP
Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON
Thank you, Chair.
Simply put, this would restore the definition of air pollution vis-à-vis what is currently in CEPA. It would give a detailed definition of air pollution. It just brings more clarity, if you will, which is the whole purpose of having definitive clauses.
I'll leave it at that, and if people have questions for debate....
1:40 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Is there any debate on NDP-4?
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:40 p.m.
Conservative
1:40 p.m.
NDP
Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON
This brings more clarity to the beginning of this bill. It's important to have clarity in definitions that specify substances, etc., in CEPA.
When we look at what we have in the bill, that's already clear, so I'm going to withdraw it.
1:40 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
I'll point out that not moving that leaves a reference to schedule 3.1 in the bill that has not yet been voted on.
1:40 p.m.
Conservative
1:40 p.m.
Liberal
David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON
This is an amendment that basically permits the minister to add to the list any new air pollutants as identified by scientific discovery or by the scientific community. It's quite self-evident. I move it as such.
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:40 p.m.
Liberal
John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON
I move L-6. Because of the insertion of our material on the carbon budget, this is a necessary definition. Carbon credit means a credit issued pursuant to regulations made under paragraph 94.1(1)(b).
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:40 p.m.
Liberal
John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON
This is a similar correction, reflecting our work under subclause 21(1). We defined a carbon credit in L-6. We're now defining a carbon permit.
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:45 p.m.
Liberal
David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON
This is again an insertion at the front of the bill. In this case, a precise definition lays out certainty about the concept of carbon price. We're very pleased that this bill will finally put a price on carbon. Canada will join the ranks of most industrialized states that are heading aggressively in this direction. It spells out specific prices from (a) through (d), and gives the minister the flexibility to prescribe a price equal to or greater than $30 per tonne after 2013.
1:45 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Is there any debate?
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:45 p.m.
Liberal
John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON
I'll move that, Chair. Because we now have included in our carbon budget plan the concept of a domestic offset system, we need to put it into the definitions. This refers to the place where the reference is.
1:45 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Okay. Is there any debate?
(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]
1:45 p.m.
Conservative
1:45 p.m.
NDP
Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON
Thank you, Chair.
This is again going back to the reason for having definitive clauses. It's to make sure that we are very specific about the substances listed in Bill C-30 as GHGs and that they appear on the toxics list in CEPA. We heard there were some concerns about this when we had witnesses before the committee, and about making sure we had definitive clauses on it. That's the intent of this motion.