A couple of reasons why I think that's happened is that we've had an increase in the number of child welfare agencies in Manitoba in particular and I think across the prairie provinces, which have the largest number of indigenous children population-wise and percentage-wise in the country. Even in those parts of the country where the population percentage-wise speaking is lower, the number of indigenous children has gone up who are in care. The reason is the increase in the number of the child welfare agencies, and that child welfare agencies since the Phoenix Sinclair inquiry and the Hughes report are now more aware of their potential liability for making mistakes, and so they are being less forgiving of families when it comes from deciding to take children into care. The birth rates are increasing because for the population of indigenous people they are much higher than they are for the rest of the population, and the average age at which children are being born to young indigenous women is lower than it used to be. That's because the population of young indigenous women who are having babies is increasing.
