Evidence of meeting #21 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was broadcasting.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ian Scott  Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
Scott Hutton  Chief of Consumer, Research and Communications, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
Rachelle Frenette  General Counsel and Deputy Executive Director, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
Scott Shortliffe  Executive Director, Broadcasting, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
Catherine Edwards  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Community Television Users and Stations
Alex Freedman  Executive Director, Community Radio Fund of Canada, Canadian Association of Community Television Users and Stations
Jérôme Payette  Executive Director, Professional Music Publishers' Association
Paul Cardegna  Committee Clerk

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Welcome, everybody, to meeting number 19 of the House of Common Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. Pursuant to the order of reference of Tuesday, February 16, 2021, the committee continues its consideration of Bill C-10, an act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other acts.

I just want to give a quick reminder to everyone that it is forbidden to take screenshots and then to share them out to the general public or to any of our guests. I will mention that again in the second hour, but seeing our guests are from CRTC, they probably already know that.

We have a slew of hands up, as we say. Let's go to the order I see on the screen.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. One of our colleagues has put up his hand before we even adjourned. I wonder if that's in order.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Do you mean from the last meeting?

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

No, I just mean today, before you adjourned, people were already putting their hands up. I'm wondering if that's allowed, or if we can start putting our names on the list only once the meeting has been adjourned.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I'm sorry, Ms. McPherson. Do you mean adjourn or do you mean begin?

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I mean begin. It's Friday, Mr. Chair, please be understanding of me.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Please don't be sorry, because there is a reason I'm glad you brought that up. In the last meeting it was pointed out to me, and I missed it, that Mr. Champoux had his hand up before I put down the gavel. I want to apologize to him for doing that. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize.

That being said, see, don't be sorry, because I'm glad you mentioned it. I didn't see which hands were up beforehand. I just looked up and saw Mr. Dong on the list that I have here, which is, in order in which the hands went up, Mr. Dong, Ms. McPherson, Ms. Dabrusin.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I was just flagging that Mr. Dong had his hand up prior to the meeting being started.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I see. Ms. McPherson, I'm going to be quite honest with you that I didn't look at the screen before until I lowered the gavel, as it were. When I looked up I noticed that Mr. Dong's hand was up. I have to rule on that. It's at the chair's discretion, I realize, so I have to go with that one.

Mr. Dong, you had something to add.

March 26th, 2021 / 1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON

Yes I do, Chair, and thank you very much. I move that:

In light of recent reports showing that since March 2020 more than 1,100 attacks against Canadians of Asian descent have been reported; that over 500 of those attacks occurred in the first two months of this year alone; that children, youth and seniors are most likely to be affected by incidents of physical assault; and that this coincides with a global rise of anti-Asian racism, including the killing of six Asian-American women in Georgia; that pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) the committee undertake a study of no more than three meetings to review the rise of anti-Asian racism in Canada; that the committee report its findings, and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response.

In respect of the time of our members and witnesses, I'm happy to defer the debate until after the presentations of the witnesses.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I think I can see what's coming. Under normal circumstances, technically, we follow the rule that you would move to adjourn the debate because the debate follows after you move the motion. However, that being said, I would like to go by consensus around this table. If there are no strong objections to leaving this to the end of the meeting, we can leave it until the end of the meeting. I put that out as a question. I'm looking about on the Zoom lens and I don't see any dissension. We'll move that towards the end.

Ms. McPherson.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I was going to table a motion, but I can do mine at the end of the meeting as well.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

You can table it now if you wish.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I move:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the committee undertake a study on the roots of anti- Asian racism and strategies to prevent and deter anti-Asian racism, including support and resources for victims and communities; that the committee hold at least three meetings to hear from witnesses; that the committee present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 180 calendar days from the adoption of this motion; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government table a comprehensive response.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I asked you to do that, Ms. McPherson, just to give everyone the benefit of hearing your motion.

1:05 p.m.

NDP

Heather McPherson NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I believe it has been shared in both official languages.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Ms. Dabrusin, please go ahead.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I am joining the motion train and tabling my motion, also to be discussed at the end of the meeting with the others.

I move:

That the committee extend the hours of its meetings during clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts, and hold any additional meetings required to make the necessary changes to the outdated Broadcasting Act and move the bill to third reading at the earliest opportunity.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Thank you, Ms. Dabrusin.

I'm going to get everyone to hold on for just two seconds. I have to consult.

Do we have agreement on all three toward the end of the meeting? I need to do that to make sure. Technically, we'd have to adjourn the meeting, but I am asking for unanimous consent to leave it as such, so we can get to our witness testimony right away.

1:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Thanks, everybody.

We will now move to our special guests of the day as we consider clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-10. We're still with witnesses. This will be our last day of meetings with witnesses before we start the actual clause-by-clause.

I would like to welcome very special guests, an entity that is no stranger to this committee or others, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission.

I would like to welcome Ian Scott, chairperson and chief executive officer; Scott Hutton, chief of consumer, research and communications; Scott Shortliffe, executive director of broadcasting. Rachelle Frenette is general counsel and deputy executive director.

Mr. Scott, I believe you requested 10 minutes, so I need to know who is starting.

1:10 p.m.

Ian Scott Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission

I did make the request, and I very much appreciate the committee's indulgence. I hope the fact we are last does not mean we are least.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

By no means, sir.

You have up to 10 minutes. The floor is yours.

1:10 p.m.

Chairperson and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission

Ian Scott

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for inviting us to appear before your committee.

We welcome the opportunity to contribute to the committee’s study of Bill C-10. We have been following with interest the debates in the House of Commons. I should warn you, however, that there are number of matters before the Commission and we may not be able to provide detailed responses to all of your questions at this time.

The CRTC is an independent regulatory agency. Our role is to implement the legislation that Parliament adopts and to ensure that the policy objectives set for the Canadian broadcasting system are achieved.

We recognize that some parliamentarians have expressed concerns that Bill C-10 proposes to give the CRTC significant latitude with regard to its implementation; some, indeed, may think it is too much latitude.

While we understand such concerns, I would note that the current Broadcasting Act, which we've been implementing since 1991, provides the CRTC with a great deal of flexibility to determine exactly how to achieve Parliament's policy objective.

That flexibility has empowered us to adapt to change and to apply different requirements to traditional television and radio services, depending on the nature of a broadcaster's service and the linguistic market in which it operates.

Our regulatory frameworks have evolved in light of changing circumstances to ensure the production and promotion of French- and English-language content by and for indigenous peoples, and content that showcases Canada's diversity.

I would like to point out that the Broadcasting Act specifies that the broadcasting system should take into account the needs and interests of Canada's diversity. It was left to the CRTC, however, as an independent regulator, to develop the necessary frameworks to achieve that policy objective, as well as others that Parliament has set out in the act.

In 2019, television broadcasters, as well as cable and satellite TV providers, contributed $2.9 billion to content creation, which included $736 million on news programming in both official languages. This was the result of requirements that the CRTC has set.

Also as a result of our regulations, the large French-language ownership groups must spend at least 75% of their Canadian programming expenditures on original French-language content. In addition, we have set benchmarks for the number of hours of news and local programming that TV stations must air each week in both official language markets, and we have licensed UNIS, which reflects and serves francophones outside of Quebec.

Radio also plays a key role in reflecting and connecting communities. In 2019, there were over 700 commercial radio stations authorized to broadcast in Canada, offering a vast diversity of content and music. These stations contributed $46 million to the development and promotion of Canadian artists.

Our regulatory frameworks have led to the licensing of APTN, the first national Indigenous broadcaster in the world, and OMNI Regional, which provides multi-ethnic programming in 20 different languages. In addition to OMNI, Canadians can subscribe to more than 110 speciality and pay channels offering programming in a variety of languages other than English and French. They can also listen to numerous Indigenous and multi-ethnic radio stations. As the definition of diversity changed, we granted a licence to OUTtv, one of the first channels dedicated to airing content for the LGBTQ2+ community.

We made these decisions because we recognized their important contributions to public policy objectives.

The Broadcasting Act is now 30 years old. Although its drafters had the foresight to make it technology neutral, they could not foresee how modern technology would change the delivery of audio and audiovisual content. The CRTC has been monitoring the evolution of the Internet since its earliest days.

We have held comprehensive proceedings under the current Act to consider the regulatory approach that should be taken regarding online audio and audiovisual content. Each time, we concluded that online content, and its distribution, was complementary to the traditional system. We therefore exempted online broadcasters from the requirement to hold a licence.

A lot has changed in recent years. As more Canadians gained access to high-speed Internet services, they also gained access to a growing number of online libraries of domestic and foreign content. That explosion of choice was to the benefit of audiences and creators. It helped bring Canadian productions and artists to national and international audiences.

The Broadcasting Act, and the regulations we have implemented to achieve its policy objectives, have fostered a dynamic and diverse broadcasting system. The time has come, however, to adapt to today’s digital environment and to ensure we can continue to adapt in the future.

At the government’s request, we studied what effect this environment may have on the production, distribution and promotion of Canadian content in the coming years.

Our 2018 report found that Canadians will rely increasingly on the Internet to discover and consume music, entertainment, news and other information in the coming years.

We therefore recommended in the report that future policy approaches should focus on the production and promotion of high-quality content made by Canadians that can be discovered by audiences in Canada and abroad, ensure that all players benefitting from the Canadian broadcasting system participate in an appropriate and equitable manner, and be sufficiently nimble to enable the regulator to adapt rapidly to changes in technology and consumer demand.

We made similar recommendations to the Broadcasting and Telecommunications Legislative Review Panel.

All of this brings us to Bill C-10. We welcomed the tabling of the bill since, in our view, it does three very important things. One, it builds on the existing Broadcasting Act to clarify the CRTC's jurisdiction regarding online broadcasters. Two, it proposes provisions that specifically address our ability to obtain data from online broadcasters to better monitor their evolution. Three, it proposes to modernize the CRTC's enforcement powers.

Equally important, Bill C-10 proposes to foster a more inclusive broadcasting system and more diversity in content. Once the legislation, with the will of Parliament, has received royal assent and the government has issued its policy direction, we will hold public hearings to develop a new regulatory framework, and there will be an opportunity for Canadians and all interested parties to provide their input and be heard.

Our goal, as always, will be to develop as complete a public record as possible and to make evidence-based decisions in the public interest. We are proud that for over 50 years Parliament has entrusted the CRTC with the task of establishing regulatory frameworks to achieve the policy outcomes it has set out for the broadcasting system. We look forward to continuing to evolve in the 21st century and to ensuring that all players in the system, including online broadcasters, contribute in the most appropriate way.

Thank you. We'll be happy to answer your questions and to offer our expertise.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Thank you, Mr. Scott. That was pretty close to 10 minutes exactly.

Let's now go to our rounds of questioning. We're going to start with the Conservative party. Monsieur Rayes, please.