Evidence of meeting #104 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was athletes.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Emmanuelle Sajous  Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage
Nancy Hamzawi  Executive Vice-President, Public Health Agency of Canada

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 104 of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. I would like to acknowledge that this meeting is taking place on the unceded traditional territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe nation.

As we know, this is going to be a hybrid meeting. Everyone who is appearing virtually will log on to Zoom, but remember that you're not allowed to take pictures of Zoom or the meeting.

The other thing is that you are not mandated to wear masks, but it would be nice if you could, because we heard from the Ontario chief health officer that people are going to get very sick and hospitals are already beginning to fill up. Just remember that.

I want everyone to know that when you want to address any questions or answers, please go through the chair. Also, be careful with your sound, because the echoing on any other thing you have in front of you could cause problems for the interpreters, who could get feedback, and that would be very negative for them.

Today we are meeting, as requested, with the Minister of Sport, the Honourable Carla Qualtrough.

The Department of Canadian Heritage officials with her are Isabelle Mondou, deputy minister of Canadian Heritage, and Emmanuelle Sajous, assistant deputy minister of sport. From the Public Health Agency of Canada, we have Nancy Hamzawi, executive vice-president, and Michael Collins, vice-president of the health promotion and chronic disease prevention branch.

Without any further ado, welcome, Minister. It's so nice to see you here. Congratulations on a portfolio I know that you feel very at home in, having been an Olympian yourself.

We'll begin with you. You have 10 minutes.

11:35 a.m.

Delta B.C.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough LiberalMinister of Sport and Physical Activity

Thank you, Chair.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for inviting me to join you.

Chair, just to put it on the record, I'm happy to stay to make up for the time we've lost. If that works for all of you, I can stay for the whole hour. I'll leave it to you guys to figure that out.

I'd like to begin by acknowledging that we are gathered on the traditional territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

It's a pleasure to meet with the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage to discuss my mandate as Minister of Sport and Physical Activity.

Our government acted quickly to protect Canadians during the COVID‑19 pandemic and put many measures in place to ensure Canadians could look after their families and pay their bills. As per my mandate, we've since worked to build the sport system back up and to harness the power of sport for the benefit of the greatest possible number of Canadians.

I have returned to this role at a time when Canada's sport system is at a critical crossroads. My own experience as an athlete has taught me first-hand the positive power and potential of sport, but we've also seen over and over again that with insufficient safeguards and accountability, sport can also do harm.

I want acknowledge the survivors who have bravely come forward to bring to light their lived experiences, including during this committee's study on safe sport. I admire their courage. What happened should never have happened, and I am committed to ensuring that they are supported.

Regarding the safe sport report, I commend the work of this committee to date and look forward to seeing its completion and your recommendations.

As a key part of my mandate, yesterday I announced the creation of an independent and impartial future of sport in Canada commission. This commission will launch in the new year. The commission will provide a forum to bring the lived experiences of victims and survivors to light, support healing and engage broadly on how to improve the sport system in Canada. The commission will be trauma-informed, survivor-centred and human rights-based.

I strongly believe that athletes must have a voice in changing Canada's sport system. To that end, we'll continue to make capacity-building investments in AthletesCAN to enhance the role of athletes in the sport system. We are elevating the Sport Canada Athlete Advisory Committee to the ministerial level. In January, we will reopen a call to athletes to participate in this committee. The committee will provide me with athlete input and perspectives directly on sport policy and programming. Also, to ensure greater independence, we will begin to transition the Office of the Sport Integrity Commissioner and the abuse-free sport program out of the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre of Canada.

We all recognize that sport is vital to leading healthy lifestyles. My mandate makes it clear that sport should be promoted as a means of encouraging Canadians, especially children and youth, to integrate and increase physical activity in their daily lives. Even before the pandemic, fewer than half of adults, children and youth met the current physical activity recommendations, and sedentary behaviour was on the rise. We need to do more to help Canadians get moving and live healthy and active lifestyles.

I'll continue to work with our partners, including provincial and territorial governments and organizations throughout the Canadian sport system, to enhance opportunities for all Canadians to participate in sport. This means also working to ensure that under-represented communities have better access to positive sport and physical activity opportunities, as we are doing through the community sport for all initiative. Through this program, we are supporting community sport initiatives for equity-deserving groups, in particular Black, indigenous and 2SLGBTQI+ people, people with disabilities and newcomers, to remove barriers and to increase participation and retention in sport.

Our government has always made increasing diversity a priority to ensure all of our systems reflect the diversity of Canada, and sport is no exception. I will continue working to ensure that the Canadian sport and physical activity systems reflect the diversity of our country.

I look forward to continuing to promote physical activity and encourage all Canadians, especially children and youth, to integrate and increase physical activity in their daily lives.

In budget 2023, we announced $10 million over two years for ParticipACTION's “Let's Get Moving” initiative to increase physical activity levels of Canadians who are less active, with a focus on groups who experience health inequalities related to physical activity. We are also supporting the development of the Canadian Society for Exercise Physiology's 24-hour movement guidelines, which provide guidance on the optimal amount of physical activity, sedentary behaviour and sleep requirements for people of all ages.

We'll continue working with stakeholders with expertise in physical activity and health, and not-for-profit organizations supporting equity-deserving populations. This includes through the healthy living round tables, for which a “What We Heard” report has been shared with stakeholders and will be posted online shortly.

We are also taking action to address physical inactivity. Through the healthy Canadians and communities fund, we are providing approximately $20 million annually to reduce health inequalities among priority populations at greater risk of chronic diseases.

I will continue to work closely with my provincial and territorial counterparts to coordinate efforts on increasing physical activity, recreation, and active and healthy living across the country.

To support safety in physical activity and sport, our government is supporting the update of the Canadian Guideline on Concussion in Sport and other key concussions resources to ensure that everyone in Canada has the most current guidance on the prevention, assessment and management of sport-related concussions.

My PT colleagues will be included in this process. In addition, the updated guideline will be used by national, provincial and territorial sport organizations to update their own concussion protocols.

Looking ahead, I believe we have an unprecedented opportunity to develop recommendations to advance the objectives of the new Canadian sport policy. We anticipate having this new policy endorsed by all provinces and territories in 2024. The policy, which is driven by values, including safe sport, is a product of comprehensive engagement with Canadians from coast to coast to coast. Sessions were held to ensure we heard from all voices across the sport and recreation system. However, there is still more work for us to do to ensure every Canadian, regardless of age, disability, race, ethnicity or gender, can easily and safely participate in sport.

All of these efforts will progress over the coming months. I know I can count on your support, advice and candid feedback. I look forward to our ongoing collaboration.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much, Minister.

We're moving to the question and answer section. We'll start with a six-minute round. Remember that the six minutes are for questions and answers.

I'll begin with the Conservatives and Rachael Thomas.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Minister, thank you for taking the time to be here and for making yourself available for an additional amount of time given the special circumstances.

My first question is with regard to Hockey Canada.

As you know, on June 22, 2022, funding was suspended, and three criteria were put in place in order to have federal funding reinstated. It was reinstated only a short 10 months later.

I'm curious whether, in your estimation, those three criteria were fully met before the funding was restored.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

Thank you.

Hockey Canada was sufficiently advanced at the time. They have published their financial statements, signed on to the UCCMS and undertaken an independent governance review. They are actively implementing the recommendations, and Sport Canada is working very closely with them.

I think I would say yes. I'm not congratulating them, though.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

One of the things that were also required of them was making available the Henein Hutchison report and the recommendations in there. Has your office received a copy of that?

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

I'm not sure.

Did we?

11:45 a.m.

Isabelle Mondou Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Yes, we received a copy of the report.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Perfect.

One of the other stipulations was ongoing reporting with the government. I'm curious as to whether or not that ongoing reporting is, in fact, taking place and how often.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

It is happening quarterly, so every three months. Hockey Canada is meeting with us to report on advancing the different aspects of the Cromwell report.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

What is the nature of that reporting when they meet with you? Is there a set agenda or items they're supposed to report?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

There is a monitoring plan. In the monitoring plan, they have to show how they have progressed in the implementation of the report. They have to show clear progress on every single recommendation.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

To date, have you been satisfied with the reports that have been given?

11:45 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

As the minister said, it's a work in progress. However, so far they're doing the work.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I'm also curious about the announcement you made yesterday, Minister. I know there was quite a bit in that announcement.

One of the questions I have for you has to do with a registry among national sports organizations with regard to sanctions. We've heard from many victims at this committee, whether from soccer, gymnastics, hockey, fencing, boxing, swimming, volleyball—you name it. There are dozens of sports organizations across this country where athletes have been mistreated. Of course, they have grave concerns.

One notable victim who spoke at this committee was Ms. McCormack. She asked how we could witness this car crash over and over again and do nothing. Another thing she said at this committee, when talking about the Soccer Canada coach, was “yet inexplicably was allowed by Canada Soccer to continue coaching teenage girls. For 12 years, I and others reported this known predator repeatedly, to no avail.”

Andrea Neil said this: “Canada Soccer didn't act to protect the community. They negligently shifted his predatory behaviour on and shrouded the reason for his departure, so he was back coaching vulnerable girls just weeks later.”

Of course, the reference here is to Bob Birarda. This is a very sad case. This is an individual who sexually assaulted numerous girls within soccer. It seems nothing was done about it, so these girls were left feeling voiceless, powerless and defeated.

My question for you is this: Will you be creating a registry so these national sports organizations can report sanctions?

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

The short answer is yes, but I can give you more details if you'd like.

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Can you give me a date?

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

I can't give you a date.

We're currently working with the Privacy Commissioner to make sure that.... I'm so with you on the unacceptableness of this that it's hard for me not to say tomorrow, but it's the PT and FPT world. We have provinces on board to put their plans out by the end of this year on how we would coordinate the provincial sanctions with the OSIC sanctions, but we're not quite there yet.

Actually, it's March 24. There you go. There's a date.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Is it March 24 of this year?

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

Next year, 2024.

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I'm sorry. That's what I mean—2024, the coming year.

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

It's March 2024 for the registry. That is the national one with the abuse-free sport program. They're now working with the Privacy Commissioner to make sure that it's okay, but technically it should be in place.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

The PT part will come after that.

11:50 a.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

They're working on the party part.

That's what you were mentioning, Minister.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

Carla Qualtrough Liberal Delta, BC

Yes. Thank you.