Evidence of meeting #104 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was athletes.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Emmanuelle Sajous  Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage
Nancy Hamzawi  Executive Vice-President, Public Health Agency of Canada

12:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

Sport Canada is responsible for athletes at the national level, so the athletes who will be on the committee will be the ones who are active at the national level, or who have been active in the last year. Some are retired, but they are still very active as former athletes.

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage

Emmanuelle Sajous

If I can add as well, the criteria we developed with athletes themselves. We had a committee set up with AthletesCAN and the athlete representation project, and they came up with those criteria, which we will share with the committee.

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

When you say “active”, you're not necessarily meaning active as an athlete, but active in an organization.

12:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage

Emmanuelle Sajous

Either they are still active as an athlete or they have been retired less than a year. I think that was the criteria. You have to be a recent athlete.

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

Some of them are still active on the board of the organization, or they are still active in other organizations such as AthletesCAN.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Do you have a budget figure for this committee?

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

Of the number of athletes or the cost of the committee...?

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

I mean the cost to the committee.

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

They are not going to be remunerated, but they are going to be compensated for any costs that they incur, so they will keep whole.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

My last one is on the number. How many are on this committee?

12:45 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Sport, Major Events and Commemorations, Department of Canadian Heritage

Emmanuelle Sajous

We didn't decide yet. It's still open. We're going to open it, and the minister will decide.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Okay.

I'm going back to another number in this report. It says, “Percentage of Canadians (children and youth) reporting that they experience sport in a safe environment.” That's an 85% number. How was that 85% number set? Do you have any idea?

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

I'm not sure which study you're referring to. I'm sorry.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

In the departmental plan, listed down about four steps here, it says, “Percentage of Canadians (children and youth) reporting that they experience sport in a safe environment.” The target is 85%.

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

I will have to verify the source. It's from one of our departmental plans. Normally what we do regularly is survey athletes and people who participate in sport. We do surveys almost every year on how people feel in terms of feeling safe and on other questions. That's probably the result you are quoting there.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

My question would be this: Why wouldn't you have 100%? Why wouldn't your target be 100% of youth feeling safe?

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

I think that's what we are hoping to get with all the measures, because clearly there is still a number of people in the system who don't feel safe for different reasons, which the minister has mentioned.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

I agree, but when you set it at 85%, that means—

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm sorry, Mr. Shields.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Thank you.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

It was a nice try.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Yes, I'm always trying.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right.

Now I go to Taleeb Noormohamed for the Liberals, for six minutes, please.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Taleeb Noormohamed Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Thank you very much.

Thank you to all of you for being here. It's good to see you all back.

Ms. Sajous, it's good to see you after many years.

I actually want to pick up where Mr. Shields left off, if I might, because I think it's worthy of understanding the difference between 85% and 100%. Obviously, there is in that the implication that there is a gap of people who will not feel safe or be captured.

How do we manage that in a way that gives people comfort, that gets these athletes and their families to a place where they feel that they have been done right by us? At the end of the day, that's what everybody wants. We want to make sure that at the end of this process athletes, prospective athletes, their families and victims feel that they've been heard, and feel that they can look at this and say all of this will have been worth it if nobody else goes through this.

12:45 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

Isabelle Mondou

I'm feeling that the minister expressed it very well—this requires a change of culture in the sport system. There is, too many times now, a sense that some behaviours are acceptable, whether it's yelling at people or some more severe behaviours, which the commission is going to look into.

I think what you're raising is a profound change in what is happening in sport. That includes the sports organizations, that includes the people who work in sport organizations and that includes Sport Canada, but it also includes all parents and also the provinces.

We haven't talked a lot about the provinces and territories, but lots of the local clubs, provincial clubs, are under the jurisdiction of the province. That's why it's so important, as the minister mentioned. She's going to raise it and continue to work with our colleagues at the provincial level, because this is a system. If there is a gap in the system, obviously people will not feel safe.