Evidence of meeting #36 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.
A recording is available from Parliament.
The Clerk Ms. Aimée Belmore
There's a point of order on the floor, Madam Chair, from Mrs. Goodridge.
Conservative
Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB
Thank you.
We are moving through these amendments quite quickly. It is being broadcast online, but there is no writing going up, as we're talking, about the amendments. I think for anyone who is following at home, this might get rather confusing because we're not really even stating what the amendment is at this point.
I was just wondering, for clarification, if perhaps we could read into the record the amendment before voting on it. Just for the gathering of data, I think it's important.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you.
All of this will be reported when the bill is reported back to the House.
I would like to get it very clear from the clerk that there is no mandate for us to place the votes and the amendments on the screen at any time. Is there? I didn't think there was.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you very much, Clerk.
Does CPC-14.12 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Shall CPC-14.13 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall CPC-14.14 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall CPC-14.15 carry?
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
I have a point of order, Madam Chair.
I think we're on CPC-14.14. We just finished CPC-14.13.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
I think we just finished CPC-14.14.
I'm circulating them as I go, but I'm open to someone telling me if I'm one step ahead of everybody else.
Conservative
Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB
I have a point of order, Madam Chair.
I think this speaks to the point of order that I was making earlier of how things are moving very quickly and there is a space for confusion because we are not reading which particular amendment is being moved. We're just going off of a number rather than reading the content of the amendment, which could lead to problems.
I will once again suggest that perhaps we consider reading the content of the amendment prior to voting on the amendment to prevent any people getting confused in this large package of amendments.
The fact that we are not debating any of these amendments is already an affront to democracy. I believe, at the very minimum, we should be clarifying exactly which vote is happening before making those votes.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you.
Can the clerk tell me whether it is CPC-14.14 that we are actually voting on?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
We are going to CPC-14.15, yes, but we were on CPC-14.14.
Shall CPC-14.15 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We're on to CPC-14.16. Shall CPC-14.16—
Conservative
Rick Perkins Conservative South Shore—St. Margarets, NS
I have a point of order, Madam Chair.
I don't believe you ruled on Mrs. Goodridge's point of order, which dealt with the issue of whether or not people at home on ParlVU could follow along what we're doing. We're going through amendments to make the first changes to the Broadcasting Act in 31 years, and we're rushing through these proposed amendments to try to improve the bill without the benefit of being able to ask officials about them.
I think it's incumbent upon you to rule on the point of order, which was that we should have some sort of summary or statement or reading of the motion to help those who are following at home.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
Thank you, Mr. Perkins.
When the point of order was first brought up, I asked the clerk, who said it was not required. We shall move on.
Shall CPC-14.16 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall CPC-14.17 carry?
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall clause 4 carry? There are no amendments to clause 4, by the way.
Liberal
Liberal
Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC
Madam Chair, I was following your instructions and wearing the mask and it's hard to hear me.
I just wanted to clarify this. I believe, Madam Chair, that NDP-9 had carried in clause 4, so I think it is clause 4 as amended. I think one amendment did pass.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
I am checking. I did not think so. I think clause 4 started with PV-4.1 from the Green member.
You may be right. I shall go back.
There were quite a few withdrawn by the NDP.
No, I don't see any amendments at all in clause 4.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry
I will stand corrected by Mr. Méla.
Mr. Méla, can you please tell us if there was an amendment?
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
It was page 66, Madam Chair, and the NDP amendment “in respect of which this Act applies, in a manner that is consistent with freedom of expression.” It passed unanimously.
Bloc
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Yes, in the old version, it was on page 66. In the new version, it is on page 63.
