Evidence of meeting #36 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Thomas Owen Ripley  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I think my friend Mr. Champoux will see that, unfortunately, this amendment is not really desirable in practice. Indeed, if we keep paragraph 3(1)(f), which says “each Canadian broadcasting undertaking shall”, and remove proposed paragraph 3(1)(f.1), then there would be no obligation for foreign online undertakings. This would therefore not be a fair solution.

At least the proposed paragraph 3(1)(f.1) provides some obligation for foreign online undertakings. I don't think it's my colleague's intention to remove that obligation.

7:10 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Yes, you're quite right.

That reinforces my point about the importance of maintaining paragraph 3(1)(f).

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Does anyone else wish to speak to this?

Hearing none, I will call the question. Shall BQ-6 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 11; yeas 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Next on the agenda, we have LIB-4. I want to note that if LIB-4 is adopted, BQ-7 on page 36 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Go ahead, Mr. Housefather.

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

This amendment reflects the very issue that Mr. Champoux and I raised last time. It's about using the words “original programs in French” to ensure that the programs are actually produced in French.

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. Is there any discussion on Mr. Housefather's amendment, which is Liberal-4?

Shall LIB-4 carry?

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Madam Chair, I think you have unanimity in the room saying it passes.

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Mr. Housefather. I cannot see the room, so thanks for telling me that.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

7:15 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

Madam Chair, on a point of order, I have delightful news to bring to you. I am withdrawing amendments NDP-6, NDP-10, NDP-11 and NDP-14, which will mean a shorter night for all of us.

7:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you kindly, Mr. Julian.

BQ-7 cannot be adopted because LIB-4 is adopted.

Now we go to amendment PV-1.

June 14th, 2022 / 7:15 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

In case folks around the table wonder about PV, back in the day, when I first started presenting amendments, they didn't want to use “G” for Green because it would have been confused with “Government”, which some day will be the case—you'll have a Green government and there won't be any confusion. However, for now, PV is Parti vert, and I am presenting very succinctly this amendment, which would create new language on page 6, just after line 22.

It comes from evidence that the committee has heard, largely from the community radio, community broadcasting group. I won't read it all out, but they wanted, and this amendment creates, the opportunity for a divergence of opinion and views to be heard on matters of public concern, and specifically—and this is language that I think is so good—“to directly participate in public dialogue on those matters through the community element; and...”

The amendment would inject the notion that our public broadcasters and our community broadcasters and the whole Broadcasting Act would create opportunities for respectful dialogue and to expose people to different views and also create for them not just an observational experience but a participatory experience, to participate directly in public dialogue.

I think if we had this kind of thing, we wouldn't see such low voter turnout, if people were able to engage.

That's my submission. I hope this amendment will find favour with committee members. Thank you.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Ms. May.

Is there any discussion?

Chris.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Thank you so much, Madam Chair.

I don't know why I'm at a loss for words. It's the first time in six years.

We're supportive of the amendment. However, I'm hoping we can make a friendly amendment on the third line, after “matters”, so it would be “on those matters, including through the community element”, just between lines 3 and 4, including the word “including”.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Is that an insertion, Mr. Bittle, and are you removing anything at all from the amendment?

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I'm moving an amendment or a subamendment.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, but I don't know if you are just moving, after “matters of public concern”, “including through the community element”.

Does that mean the rest of that sentence is gone? I didn't quite understand it.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

No. It would read, “on those matters, including through the community element; and”.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. Thank you.

Now would we like to discuss Mr. Bittle's subamendment? Is there any discussion?

7:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

People are looking to me, Madam Chair, but under the terms of the motion passed by this committee, I am not allowed to have an opinion on whether something is friendly or not, because I'm not the mover. It was deemed moved by the apparatus that was created that brings us here today. If it were up to me, I would say that's friendly, and I like it a lot, but I'm not actually permitted to do that under your rules.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Ms. May.

Is there anyone else wishing to speak to this?

Mr. Méla.

7:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

I have a question regarding Mr. Bittle's amendment. Just to make sure I understand how it reads. Is it “on matters, including through the community element and of public concern”, and then the rest of it?

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Yes. It would remain the same. I'm just putting in the word “including” between “matters” and “through”.

7:20 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

There is no “through the community element” anywhere.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

It is “in public dialogue on those matters, including through the community element; and”. Everything else would remain the same except the inclusion of the word “including”.

7:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Well done.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Thank you.