Evidence of meeting #36 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Thomas Owen Ripley  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore

9 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Go ahead, Mr. Nater.

9 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

This is actually positive news, and I think you will agree. If we read the terms of motion 16, it says, “if the committee has not completed its clause-by-clause consideration of the bill by 9:00 p.m. on June 14, 2022, all remaining amendments”, etc., etc.

The good news, Madam Chair, is that it doesn't specify Eastern Daylight Time, so since you, as our chair, are in Pacific Daylight Time, it means that we still have three hours in which we can debate until we hit 9 p.m. in your time. As the chair of our committee, you still have three hours to debate amendments, so I look forward to that matter.

9 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you very much, Mr. Nater, but I cannot agree with you because for all the times at which the committee is meeting and when there's a committee break and when it adjourns and when it meets again, that has all been done in eastern time, so I would suggest to you that this ruling is eastern time.

Now I shall move to cease debate and we will just move to clause-by-clause.

I shall begin.

Shall PV-4.1 carry?

9 p.m.

The Clerk Ms. Aimée Belmore

Should it be a recorded division, Dr. Fry?

9 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, please, unless somebody says otherwise.

9 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

I'm sorry, Chair, which one are we on? That happened really quickly.

9 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We are on PV-4.1.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

9 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Now I remind everyone that CPC-8 was removed, so we go to CPC-9.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We move to CPC-10.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

9:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We move to NDP-9.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

CPC-11 was removed, so we move to CPC-12.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

9:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall PV-4.2. carry?

9:05 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

The amendment PV-4.2 is identical to the one that was just defeated.

9:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Is that true, Mr. Méla?

9:05 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

It is, Madam Chair.

9:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. We shall not vote on it then.

The NDP withdrew NDP-10.

Shall CPC-13 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

NDP-11 was withdrawn.

Shall CPC-14 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

I have a note from the legislative clerk that if it is adopted, CPC-14.1 to CPC-14.7 inclusive become moot, as the question has already been decided. We shall not vote on CPC-14.1.

9:10 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

I think that was in reverse. I think we shall move to 14.1, since 14 wasn't adopted.

9:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We shall go to CPC-14.1 then.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.2 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.3 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.4 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.5 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.6 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

9:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

On amendment CPC-14.7—

9:15 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the House of Commons after the election implementing a hybrid Parliament, one of the requirements was that all committees would be broadcast on ParlVu. Unfortunately, as we speak, we're not being broadcast on ParlVu. There is no video available, so until the video is resumed for ParlVu we will be in violation of the order adopted by the House of Commons.

9:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Clerk, can you find out why? Mr. Nater is right. I see no signal.

9:20 p.m.

The Clerk Ms. Aimée Belmore

Dr. Fry, we're looking into the situation currently. The video is not working. We're checking to see if the audio is still working. If the audio is still working, it would still be considered a public meeting.

9:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. Shall we suspend while you look into this?

All right. I suspend until the clerk tells us she is ready to discuss this.

Thank you.

9:24 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We are now ready to resume. I think everything's working, as far as I get from the clerk.

Shall amendment CPC-14.7 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.8 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.9 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.10 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall CPC-14.11 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings] )

Thank you.

As chair, I would like to make a quick comment. If I smile sometimes, it's because I think Mr. Champoux and Mr. Julian are the Laurel and Hardy of this committee. They just make me laugh.

9:25 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

On a point of order, Madam Chair, who's Laurel and who's Hardy?

9:25 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

9:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall CPC-14.12 carry?