Evidence of meeting #36 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was shall.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Thomas Owen Ripley  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore

10:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I am told by the clerk that there is a hard stop for the interpreters to have a break.

10:35 p.m.

The Clerk Ms. Aimée Belmore

Madam Chair, just to be precise, that's a minimum of 15 minutes.

10:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall we suspend for 15 minutes, then?

Thank you. We are suspended.

10:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Colleagues, we will be resuming clause-by-clause.

Here in my notes from the clerk with regard to conflicts, it says that if LIB-9 is adopted, then BQ-13 and CPC-18 cannot be moved due a line conflict.

Given that next up would have been BQ-13 and it cannot be moved, I shall move on to CPC-17.

Shall CPC-17 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall NDP-15.2 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

CPC-18 cannot be moved because we passed LIB-9. I shall go past CPC-18 and move on to NDP-15.3.

Shall NDP-15.3 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall BQ-14 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall LIB-9.1 carry?

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall NDP-16 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

10:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We are now on NDP-17.

I've decided to flag to everyone that if NDP-17 is adopted, BQ-15 on page 113 and NDP-17.1 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall NDP-17 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We can now move to BQ-15.

If BQ-15 is adopted, NDP-17.1 and NDP-18, which is on page 115, cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

I would also like to inform everyone that if BQ-15 is adopted, NDP-17.1 becomes moot, as they are identical. If BQ-15 is defeated, so is NDP-17.1, for the same reason.

Shall BQ-15 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Shall NDP-17.1 carry?

11 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Madam Chair, BQ-15 and NDP-17.1 are identical, so NDP-17.1 would be defeated as well.

11 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. We will not go to NDP-17.1.

What about NDP-18?

11 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

NDP-18 is good to go.

11 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

We will not be voting on NDP-17.1. We'll be voting on NDP-18.

Does NDP-18 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

I shall go to NDP-19.

Again, I'd like to warn everybody that if NDP-19 is adopted then NDP-19.1 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall NDP-19 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

NDP-19 does not carry; therefore, NDP-19.1 can be moved.

Does NDP-19.1 carry?

11:05 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

It's defeated on division.

11:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Does anyone oppose that?

11:05 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

There seems to be consensus in the room.

(Amendment negatived on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

On CPC-18.1—

11:05 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

It's carried on division.

11:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

11:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Is it carried on division? Is everyone in agreement with that, Mr. Nater? Are we sure about that?

11:05 p.m.

The Clerk Ms. Aimée Belmore

Madam Chair, I think you might want a recorded division.

11:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We'll have a recorded division on CPC-18.1.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7, yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

CPC-18.2 and CPC-18.3 were removed.

We are on CPC-18.4.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7, yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are on CPC-18.5.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7, yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are on CPC-19.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7, yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We are on CPC-19.1.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7, yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll now move to BQ-16, but before I call the vote, I would like to note that, if BQ-16 is adopted, LIB-10 on page 126 cannot be moved due to a line conflict.

Shall BQ-16 carry?

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

I will abstain. I believe there is something not quite right in the translation of this particular amendment. Perhaps we could get clarification.

11:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

If you're asking for a point of clarification, please ask it.

11:10 p.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Thank you.

It's a point of clarification. I do not believe that the translation quite matches.

11:10 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Thank you for the question.

It would be hard for me to determine if the translators have done a proper translation. I can have a look, but—