Evidence of meeting #94 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh
Mrs. Thomas, you do have the floor. I wish you would wrap up.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Mr. Chair, I would challenge your ruling on this. I believe that her allegations are—
Conservative
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
—unbelievably inappropriate and that her time speaking should be suspended. She has caused disorder in this committee.
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh
Mr. Julian, could you explain what you would you like to challenge again?
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
She has provoked disorder by her incendiary comments about journalists. She has been repetitive and she has not been relevant to what is before us.
You've called her repeatedly on this. You've asked her to apologize. She has refused. There is order that must be maintained in the committee.
I would ask you to maintain it by simply passing to the next person on the list, who I believe is Mr. Melillo. That's the decision I'm asking you to take.
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh
It's actually not. I have 10:11.
Sorry, but I have four minutes after all. That clock is fast.
Liberal
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh
No, you can't. Just give me 30 seconds, if you don't mind.
Because we are limited to time, let me say this before we do in fact adjourn for the day. Next Tuesday, October 31—let me read this into the record, if you don't mind—we will hear from Jean-François Bélisle on his appointment as director of the National Gallery of Canada and continue reviewing the safe sport report, which is to be confirmed based on the outcome of the meetings to date.
I wanted to say that prior to the end of the meeting. It's up to the chair, when she comes back next week...but that was on our schedule for next Tuesday and I wanted everyone around the table to expect that.
Today we thought we were going to get the chair of the CRTC, and then we didn't get her for some reason. For Tuesday, we are expecting to hear from Jean-François for one hour in committee.
Mrs. Thomas, we're back to you. The time is running out.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I did ask you for a ruling on this.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
No, I've asked you for a ruling. You haven't given it yet.
Conservative
The Vice-Chair Conservative Kevin Waugh
I'm asking Mrs. Thomas if she would apologize. That's what I asked.
If you would withdraw some of the remarks that you made to journalists, then we could proceed, if you don't mind.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I haven't made any comments to journalists, but I have referenced an article written by the CBC on October 17 entitled, “Hundreds killed in Israeli airstrike on Gaza City hospital, Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza says”. I talked about what is stated in that article.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
It's an article written by the CBC. If this committee is uncomfortable with what the CBC has said, that's unfortunate. I won't retract a true statement based on an article the CBC wrote.
Bloc
Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
First of all, these are not the words of Ms. Thomas. She specifically associated CBC with Hamas, and she was not quoting the article when she said that earlier. She's come back with this article to justify their actions. It doesn't justify anything at all.
The point is, Mr. Chair, that Mr. Julian asked you to enforce a ruling, to take away Ms. Thomas' right to speak, and that's the ruling he asked you to rule on.
October 26th, 2023 / 10:10 a.m.
Conservative
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.
I would like you to read into the record what exactly the challenge is and what has gone on here, before we move to that vote. That's so we can have a full understanding.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
Mr. Chair, she violated the standards that committees are supposed to adhere to.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I have a point of order.
This is debate, right now. Mr. Chair, you have to go immediately to a vote.
NDP
Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC
The member has refused to apologize for her comments and put people in a dangerous position. She has, as well, repeated herself and not been relevant in speaking to the subamendment.
