I think the number for CEPA 1999 is at our tab H, and the number for CEPA 1999 was only 24. So 9 of those 33 were for CEPA carry-overs for CEPA 1988, according to the records we were given.
In our view, that's inordinately low for what is said to be Canada's premier environmental protection piece of legislation. There's been more activity certainly, I believe, under the Fisheries Act. It doesn't mean that everything should be resolved by way of prosecution, but it is there and available and it surprises us. I think the suggestion by the government itself in that document I referred to earlier, the formative evaluation, we have that at tab G. The government's own conclusion was, and I quote:
It is not possible to determine whether expected outcomes with respect to Part 10 of the Act will be achieved as measurement and reporting systems capable of documenting progress towards expected outcomes in this area remain under development at the time of this evaluation. Such systems will need to be developed and implemented in order to ascertain the likelihood of progress relating to the expected outcomes.
Part 10 of the act being the enforcement section, and the evaluation referred to was in March 2005.
In our paper we also ask for an increase in the information obtained and analyzed, to assess whether the enforcement is working. Our own view, in our own experience, is that it is not indicative of enforcement with that number of convictions. However, we would concur with the government paper that they need to look at it very seriously and analyze it properly.
I hope that answers your question.