Evidence of meeting #40 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kristen Courtney  Committee Researcher

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

Mr. Chair, I had time--

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Your time is paused. He's asking for a point of clarification--

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

So there is the point of order that we didn't have a chance to speak on and now this is another issue...?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

It's a different issue.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

But still the point...?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Yes, the first point of order was based upon the speed that you were speaking at.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

I hope so.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Okay. We'll come back to you, Mr. Warawa.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I guess what I'm asking you is this. I'm trying to look at it from the point of view of the shipping industry. Is it possible that sometimes the industry already starts conforming to international norms that are in international agreements that have not been ratified by Canada?

In other words, is it possible that the shipping industry becomes proactive and simply starts abiding by internationally recognized norms whether or not Canada has ratified them? I suppose that's a question for the shipping industry.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I'll let our analysts respond.

Kristen.

5:25 p.m.

Kristen Courtney Committee Researcher

It's certainly possible. Without putting words into their mouths, I think what the shipping industry had in mind was the Marine Liability Act. There may be other acts as well, but that one specifically provides protection to the shipping industry from being sued, basically, if they've complied with certain obligations.

That was the domestic law that implements the international agreement. So that works a little differently from an industry proactively complying with something that actually affords them protection.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Woodworth, are you speaking to the point of order or to the clarification?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Stephen Woodworth Conservative Kitchener Centre, ON

Yes, on the point of order that Mr. Scarpaleggia just raised, I think I heard him misstate what I was trying to say. I will confess that I'm not an international law lawyer, but I did not mean to say that this is a problem if the act has not been ratified by Canada. What I meant to say was that this is a problem if an international act has been ratified but not yet implemented in law in Canada. To me, at least, there's a distinction. Whether I'm right or wrong, that's what I was trying to say.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Warawa, do you wish to speak to that point of order?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC

Well, I would like to, Chair, but we're past our time. It's now 5:30, so I move to adjourn.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I have a motion to adjourn. All those in favour?

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

The meeting is adjourned. We're out of here.