Okay. I guess I'll go next.
I agree with Dr. Boyce. I think we rarely have enough information, or of enough quality, to make management decisions. We're always dealing with a lack of information, and I suspect that's not going to change.
If you look in Manitoba, we have a moose crisis here as an example, but as Dr. Boyce said, there's not enough funding to do aerial surveys to be able to count the moose. We don't know how many moose we have. We have no idea how many are being shot. We're constantly playing a guessing game. We need to fly Dr. Boyce to Manitoba to bring his app because I think the hope is citizen science; it's the people.
In Manitoba, with health care costs, crime prevention, education, an aging population, all those issues are so expensive and important that moose are never going to rank in the top hundred list for most people here, no matter how hard we work in the city to connect people to the resource. We have to get creative and innovative, but there's never going to be enough money. We're going to have to make decisions, so we're going to have to engage the people in the communities.
The goods news is that they know a lot. We've not engaged them, but we should engage them in this committee. The hunters and trappers on the land, aboriginal people, know a lot. The research apparently says that in Norway those observations from hunters actually correlated with aerial survey data. That's fantastic. We can save that money, then, from flying in helicopters and counting moose.
As conservationists and environmentalists, we're going to have to be creative and innovative because there is not going to be the money that we need. There never has been and there's never going to be. That's the key, to engage people in the communities. There's lots of knowledge there that we've not tapped into yet.