Evidence of meeting #111 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was definition.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Olivier Champagne  Procedural Clerk
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency

1:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Please understand what he's saying.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes, it's the intention.

1:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

What he's saying, I think, because I wasn't listening to anything but the French, is that when we take out 39(2), we'll have 39(1) and 39(3). So we could make a consequential amendment to change 39(3) to 39(2) to make it clearer

If I understood what you said correctly.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Actually, it is either 39(1) or (3); you have indicated paragraph (3), but we have forgotten paragraph (1).

1:05 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Not in my amendment.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Yes, in your amendment.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay, we're going to take a pause for two minutes, just to get squared up. Thanks.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We'll resume.

On PV-5, I think it has been resolved.

Monsieur Godin, all good?

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Yes, thank you.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay, great.

Was there any discussion on PV-5?

Yes, Mr. Fisher.

May 8th, 2018 / 1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Madam Chair, I can't find it right now, but I'm pretty sure that LIB-26 does pretty much, if not exactly, what Ms. May is contemplating here.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

According to the legislative clerk, it's not exactly the same.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Is it not the same?

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

No. It's the same issue but not the same intent.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

As LIB-26? I think it more reflects how we want to move forward.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. We'll wait until we get to that one.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Thank you, Madam Chair.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Just before you vote, if PV-5 is adopted, PV-43, NDP-11, and PV-46 cannot be moved, because there would be a line conflict. I just want you to be aware of that as you vote on PV-5.

Yes.

1:10 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I just found LIB-26, and I can't understand how LIB-26 does anything to deal with the conflict of our being disallowed by this legislation from having a joint review panel if the matter is before the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission or the Canadian energy regulator—unless I'm misreading this.

I know it's not essential for my amendment to know there's one coming later, but I don't think the one that comes later.... If you're counting on LIB-26 to fix this, I don't think it does.

While we're pausing just to consider what the Liberal members of committee would really like to do, it doesn't make sense to me that this limitation in 39(2) is there. Deleting it is the most straightforward thing to do. You're replacing lines 19 to 22, which I delete, and the minister is still not authorized. It still says that the minister is not authorized, under your amendment.

Therefore, if you want to make sure that you deal with this, please pass mine.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

All right.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I'd like a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Can we go back to NDP-12 on which there was a bit of discussion? Do we have that settled yet?

1:15 p.m.

Counsel, Department of Justice

Jean-Sébastien Rochon

Thank you, Madam Chair.

There are a number of references to municipalities in federal legislation. Some of them are for descriptive purposes to identify a location. Others are in reference to specific functions under statutes—although this search of mine is by no means exhaustive. For instance, under the Nunavut Planning and Project Assessment Act, a municipality is considered a regulatory authority.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

That's helpful.

Is there any further discussion on NDP-12?

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Can we have a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])