Evidence of meeting #111 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was definition.

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traditional knowledgeminutes of proceedingsamendment negatived nays8 yeas 1impact assessment

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MPs speaking

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Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Olivier Champagne  Procedural Clerk
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We are voting on just this amendment.

I am getting.... This is the last time.

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Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

By way of clarification, Madam Chair, are we purging this whole bill of the term “traditional knowledge”?

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

No. We are going to go through and look at every place it comes up. I was going to try to do it in a group, but we are not. We are going to go through every time to make sure people are comfortable.

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11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I understand the process. That was a rhetorical question. Are we going to actually purge the term “traditional knowledge” throughout? The argument that has been made by Mr. Bossio and by our civil servants is that the term “traditional knowledge” is too limited and that the term “Indigenous knowledge” is more expansive. Am I hearing from the Liberals and our civil servants that the term “Indigenous knowledge” is now going to replace “traditional knowledge” throughout this bill?

That would be a question for Mr. Rochon.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Mr. Rochon.

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11:25 a.m.

Counsel, Department of Justice

Jean-Sébastien Rochon

That would be correct. That is the gist of why we have a definition that indicates that indigenous knowledge is the knowledge of the indigenous peoples of Canada. It's in direct reference to what we consider indigenous peoples' [Inaudible—Editor].

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Thank you very much. I appreciate the discussion.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The next is NDP-1c. You can find the text within the original NDP-1 in the package of amendments.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Are we in 1.2 or 1.3?

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're in NDP-1c.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I submitted them all separately. If you want me to go back to the consolidated one, I'll go back, because I can't follow you.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

The 1(c) is the 1.3. It is the view of a number of witnesses that the second paragraph of the preamble was limiting. At the end it says:

...and the [now indigenous] knowledge of the Indigenous peoples of Canada into decision-making processes related to designated projects.

We would like to take out the latter words, “related to designated projects”, and leave “decision-making processes” as is. Again, that is because this bill also deals with strategic and regional assessments, which don't necessarily deal with designated projects.

It should say that the Government of Canada recognizes that impact assessments provide an effective means of integrating scientific and indigenous knowledge into all processes for impact assessment, not just the review of designated projects.

The intent is to remove those last four words, “related to designated projects”.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

That's not what the amendment says, but....

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It does. It ends at “decision-making processes”. That's exactly what the amendment says.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay.

Are there any questions? Does everybody understand what it is?

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Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

We're dealing with one in the several....

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

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Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Okay. I see we're on paragraph (c) in NDP-1.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're on the (c) part.

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Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Got it. Yes.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're looking at lines 16 and 17, where it says “decision-making processes related to designated projects”.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

And my amendment stops it at “decision-making processes”.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

All right. Are there any questions?

(Amendment negatived)

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11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

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