Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're at LIB-93.

Mr. Amos.

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

I understand this amendment has been withdrawn.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I don't have that anywhere. Let's just make sure.

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

Just withdraw it, please.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It's withdrawn.

On NDP-74, we have Ms. Duncan.

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

This is under the section on public participation, public costs, public engagement, public funding, page 120. My amendment will take out section 74 and add a new provision after section 75. That provision says that:

The Regulator must establish, within the corporation, a Public Intervenor Office to manage any participant funding program established under section 75, advise the Regulator on the appropriate mechanisms and timing of engagement activities and, on a voluntary basis, represent the interests and views of parties, the public—and, if appropriate, the Indigenous peoples of Canada and Indigenous organizations—on matters within the Regulator's mandate.

Then it goes on about establishing the processes to engage with the public and in particular with indigenous peoples, and also that it may co-ordinate scientific and technical studies to the extent possible and could develop pools of independent experts. That's very important to intervenors and is raised quite frequently. To provide third-party independent advice and ensure information provided by the proponents, the regulator and the Public Intervenor Office is searchable, transparent, well-organized, and not subject to change so it can facilitate public access.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Thank you very much.

Did you want to ask something?

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Is this amendment in order because it's creating a whole new office. It is establishing the public intervenor office, which has costs attached to it.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It's within the scope.

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I don't know about that.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes, it is within the scope. It's that debate we had earlier. We're not going to have it again, but I get your point.

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I'm raising it again. I think it's outside the scope of the legislation.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I know, but I'm making the same ruling.

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It's not encircled with the CER. It's within the CER.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It's in the scope of the bill, but I get your point.

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

The point is sinking in. That's the problem.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It is sinking in but I had the discussion with the experts at the back, and I am resolved that this is okay. It's within the scope.

On NDP-74, shall the amendment carry?

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I'd like a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're now on to LIB-94.

Mr. Aldag.

John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

What is being proposed here by Mr. Bossio is straightforward. It's before you, so I suggest we vote.

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Actually I would like to have an explanation from Mr. Aldag. Mr. Bossio entrusted him with the explanation.

John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Take advantage of our officials while they're here.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

They have waited a long time to help us, so go ahead and help us today.

8:15 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Then they're going to walk out on us.

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

They're going to leave us at nine o'clock. The fun is over.