Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources

7:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I will remove the word “traditional” because that seems consistent with what has gone on.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes, with what we've done before.

We're doing NDP-70 with the word “traditional” removed.

Mr. Arnold.

May 22nd, 2018 / 7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Madam Chair, the terminology in here is somewhat subjective. The term “reasonable” could open it up for interpretation in many different ways. I don't believe it's relevant.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

You would see that as a challenge.

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Yes.

7:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

If I may respond to that, it's very common language used in legislation, to simply say “reasonable exercise of your discretion in appointments”. It's meant to make them more comfortable.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Flexible.

7:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

No. It's not flexible. It means in a reasoned way. You look for diversity in a reasoned way, not in any extreme way.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

But it's not hard and fast.

7:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

No.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I think clarity is there. We're voting on NDP-70—

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I'd like a recorded vote.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

—with a recorded vote with “traditional” taken out between “indigenous” and “knowledge”.

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We're now on PV-96.

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Madam Chair, on a point of order, that previous motion was amended. Was there a vote on the amendment to remove the word?

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

She moved it as amended. I moved it as amended with the change.

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

You moved it or she moved it?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

She moved it by taking out “traditional”. I accepted that and brought that forward for a vote.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

That's fine.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're on PV-96.

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Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Chair, I won't belabour this again. It's to follow the distinctions-based approach to ensure that one commissioner must be appointed from each of the groups—first nations, Inuit, and Métis.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

If amendment PV-96 is adopted, PV-97 can't be moved because there will be a line conflict.

We'll vote on PV-96.

7:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I'd like a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're now at PV-97.

Ms. May.

7:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Madam Chair, it's an attempt to do the same thing, replacing the line by “a member of a First Nation, or Métis or Inuit.”

While it's not the same, it distinguishes the groups. There's a distinctions-based approach, but it's in the alternative as opposed to being cumulative.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes. It's another way of doing it.

We're voting on PV-97.