Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. It's the same.

1:15 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I can understand. What's happening is that what Mr. Amos is moving, if I have it correctly here in front of me, “must be based on the report with respect to the impact assessment and a consideration”. That one's not the same.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

It would appear they are identical. An earlier version we saw was not, and so we—

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. So if vote on PV-68, then LIB-45.2 is moot, because we will have voted on the same thing with Ms. May's.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

We'll vote on Ms. May's, and we'll withdraw mine.

1:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

If there's a problem supporting my amendment in favour of yours.... But if we can vote on mine and pass it—

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

No, yours came first.

1:20 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

In that case, I would ask for support for this amendment.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Shall the amendment carry?

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I would like a recorded vote, please.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6 ; nays 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Ms. May, your PV-69 was already dealt with under PV-1, so that one is off.

Now we're at LIB-46, which was already voted on.

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

My amendment is before PV-69. I have the copies here in both languages.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I'm sorry.

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I am on page 48, at line 19.

It's quite straightforward. This is what I have been calling for consistently and what the witnesses have been calling for. It would be for the factors in proposed section 84. It would replace lines 19 to 31 with the factors listed in proposed section 22. It simply means that if an authority is going to do the assessment, they should do the assessment in the same way the agency would do the assessment, based on the same factors.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're calling this NDP-50.2.

1:20 p.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I am replacing all of those factors in lines 19 to 31. It's actually to line 33, rather than line 31.

Then it would say, “must include consideration of the factors listed in section 22”.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Does everybody understand what's happening here? She's just amending proposed section 84, taking out all the (a), (b), (c), (d), and (e), and just changing that last line of 84 to “must include consideration of the factors listed in section 22”.

Shall the amendment carry?

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I request a recorded vote.

(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We're now moving on to LIB-46.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I'll speak to that one.

This is an amendment from my colleague, Mr. Bossio, to advance the spirit of reconciliation through this legislation. It's simply taking what we heard from indigenous organizations and expanding the definition from traditional knowledge to indigenous knowledge.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We actually carried.... I think we did. It was the one that I actually did before we stopped doing it. We passed LIB-1, LIB-4, LIB-5, LIB-16, LIB-46, LIB-57, LIB-60, and LIB-62, and it was all about that indigenous knowledge.

Do you want to just check?

It's the only one I thought we did do, but I'm being told “maybe not”. You know what? Let's just do it again.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

If you did it, you can't do it again.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

There was one that we did do. Which one was that?

1:25 p.m.

Legislative Clerk, House of Commons

Olivier Champagne

It was PV-1.

1:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

All right, it's my fault. I thought we did it, but we didn't.

I always have to defer to the legislative clerks. They know what I'm doing.