Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
I think that summed up pretty well the discussion you guys had on this side of the room.
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Liberal
8:05 p.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
Even if we just stick with what the courts have said, it's consult and accommodate. It's not just consult. This means nothing.
Indigenous people want to give this information but only if it's provided in confidence, and then the regulator decides that, well, if the proponent wants it.... It's, “We'll talk to the indigenous people but we're going to release it anyway”. That's what that says.
8:05 p.m.
Liberal
William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC
With respect, Madam Chair, it doesn't say anything of the sort. This has to do with ensuring that there is a consultation between the governmental body and the indigenous entity or individual who is engaged in the provision of the indigenous knowledge. This has nothing to do whatsoever with accommodation. Accommodation is an entirely separate and distinct aspect, and I think this is a red herring discussion.
I'd leave it at that.
8:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We're going to wrap the discussion up. I think we've had the discussion. The vote applies to LIB-88, LIB-89, and LIB-89.1, which is the consequential change.
8:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
If you vote on this one, you're basically voting on those ones, because they're tied.
8:05 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
Hold it. Don't we have to give our consent for you to apply votes?
8:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
No. The legislative clerk tells us when we're voting on something and it affects the other ones, then we need to know that they're all dovetailed together, so they have to be voted on together.
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
No, they're tied together. That's why they need to be done together, which is why you need to see it.
8:10 p.m.
Conservative
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Shall the amendment carry?
Mr. Fast would like a recorded vote.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 8; nays 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Just so you know, LIB-90 was dealt with under LIB-86, which I already said. That was passed.
Now we're on to amendment PV-105.
Ms. May.
8:10 p.m.
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
This is, again, in proposed section 59, under “Regulations”, an attempt to ensure that those regulations are made only after consultation with indigenous governing bodies. It's about making regulations prescribing circumstances, again, around a circumstance that I think shouldn't occur, which is the disclosure of indigenous knowledge that was provided in confidence.
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Mr. Fast would like a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC
Member Duncan, there is no reference to accommodation. How can you support it?
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We don't need debate. It's over. The vote's done.
LIB-91 was dealt with under LIB-86, so that's taken care of. We're now on to LIB-92.
Mr. Fisher.
8:10 p.m.
Liberal
Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS
Thank you, Madam Chair.
This would reference inspection officers in this section. It was left out of the current bill. Of course the inspection officers should be included here as they always condition their orders. So essentially if you look on page 116, line 31 right after “Conditions”, it would add “A decision or order made by the Commission, a designated officer or an inspection officer under this Act may include any conditions that the Commission designated officer or inspection officer considered”.
8:10 p.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
I'd like a recorded vote.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 8; nays 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])