Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Jean-Sébastien Rochon  Counsel, Department of Justice
Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

This is the one replacing line 4 on page 53, which reads, “On completion of the assessment”. It's under “Report to Minister”, proposed section 102.

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John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Yes, everybody has seen it.

I think it's in the spirit of reconciliation, looking at how indigenous knowledge is considered in decision-making. This is one that was important to Mr. Bossio, and you have it before you.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It's adding a proposed subsection and just changing the numbering so that there is a subsection 102(1) and 102(2).

Ms. Duncan.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I have a question.

Proposed subsection 102(1) in the amendment, as far as I can read, is identical to what it reads right now. I don't understand what's being done there.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

The only difference is the numbering. They have put in a “(1)”.

That's what I was just saying. They've added a subsection, so they need a number there.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Oh, sorry.

It's funny. Sometimes the drafters do that and sometimes they don't.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I know.

Different drafters....

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay. Thanks.

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3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I would like a recorded vote.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 8; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Thank you very much.

I'm in a bit of a pickle here. For LIB-55, I don't have a copy.

Does anybody have a copy?

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3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes.

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An hon. member

Is LIB-55 being withdrawn?

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John Aldag Liberal Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

No, it's not being withdrawn. Mr. Bossio wanted to put this one forward.

This is to establish the Canadian assessment appeal tribunal. I think there was a ruling on it.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I'll do the ruling.

Okay. I just didn't have it, and I wanted to make sure I had it in front of me.

This particular one seeks to alter the terms and conditions of the royal recommendation—it's similar to the other one—by imposing a new charge on the public treasury, so it's inadmissible. That's how that one is going to go. LIB-55 is inadmissible.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Are you saying that because members of this committee are doing it, not the government?

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

This is the way it was written: “an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown”.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

The government can make this change when they retable the bill.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

We can't do it.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

It's a reminder that none of us are here representing the government.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Thanks for the reminder.

Next up, we have PV-75.1.

You're back. Well done. That was awfully fast. Where is the other meeting?

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Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Finance is just across the hall. Thank goodness it's not in a different building. I have had that happen.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay, it's all yours.

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Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I think that my attempt, like Mike Bossio's attempt, to create an environmental assessment appeal tribunal is going to meet the same fate.

I'm attempting to set up, in amendment 75.1 for the Green Party, a way of meeting the intent, if not the letter, of the expert panel on environmental assessment that recommended this government establish impact assessment as a stand-alone quasi-judicial tribunal. The bill fails to do that.

This is an attempt to go to a sort of halfway measure, but I'm certain your ruling, as it applied to Mr. Bossio's amendment, will apply to mine as well.

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The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

This one doesn't give any remuneration, so it is admissible.

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Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Proposed section 103.4 says that you can't receive remuneration, so you should be okay.

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