Evidence of meeting #114 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was see.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
No, we're all good. We've booked for two days, which it seems we might need based on the progress we're making.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 10 as amended agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)
We are now voting on clause 11.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I certainly wasn't prepared for what I'm experiencing tonight. I can't be faulted for that, surely.
Madam Chair, I did speak to this in the House and I am familiar with the details of the bill but I had to remind myself which clause is which.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
I need to ask about the transition period. I am troubled that we can't get the answer to that. If there is transition how do we know? Is there going to be a new NEB or there won't be a new NEB?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Linda, I'm not going to debate it. This has not changed and you've had this now for three months. There were lots of opportunities to discuss this with experts.
(Clause 11 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 3)
(Clause 12 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 3)
(Clause 13 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 14 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)
(Clause 15 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 16 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 17 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 18 negatived: nays 5; yeas 4)
(Clause 19 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 20 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 21 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 22 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 23 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 24 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 25 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 26 agreed to: yeas 4; nays 4)
(Clause 27 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)
(Clause 28 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 29 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 30 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 31 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 32 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 33 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 2 ])
(Clause 34 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 2)
(Clause 35 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 2)
(Clause 36 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 2)
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We are back in session.
We're now doing clause 37.
(Clause 37 agreed to: yeas 6 ; nays 2 )
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I have a point of order.
Both the new standing orders that were approved to deal with the membership of parliamentary secretaries on committees, standing orders 105 and 114, speak to the fact that parliamentary secretaries can join committees as ex officio members but they don't join as voting members. I think you'll find, on that basis, that the clause was defeated because the parliamentary secretaries are non-voting, not voting members of the committee.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
My understanding is that the parliamentary secretary for this committee is not here. We have someone who is a parliamentary secretary but in this case is acting as an MP and standing in as an MP. She's not standing in, nor is Matt. So they're not acting as parliamentary secretaries for the committee.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Just to clarify, though, the new standing order 114 reads as follows:
Substitutions for Parliamentary Secretaries
In relation to Parliamentary Secretaries named pursuant to Standing Order 104(5), the Chief Government Whip may effect a substitution of one Parliamentary Secretary for another by filing notice thereof with the clerk of the committee and such a substitution shall be effective immediately when it is received by the clerk of the committee.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
That's not relevant here. That isn't relevant to what's happened here. They're not substituting for a parliamentary secretary. They're substituting for an MP sitting at the table.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
I don't agree with that understanding of the rules.
A Parliamentary Secretary named as a non-voting member of a committee pursuant to Standing Order 104(5) shall not be eligible to act as a substitute for a member of that committee.
Liberal
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Have either of these parliamentary secretaries ever substituted as a non-voting member of this committee?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
No.
Thank you, Garnett, but it doesn't apply here. They're not standing in for parliamentary secretaries. They're sitting in as representative for the MPs.
I'm moving on to the vote.
(Clause 38 agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Do you have a point of order?
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
Sorry, I'm just confused as to why my voice wasn't counted in that vote.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
You need to come prepared. We were in the middle of voting on the clause and you took too long.
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
I'm sorry. In going from a standing position to a sitting position, is there somehow that I wasn't prepared?
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
No, you were reading what we were doing. You weren't ready to vote and you weren't quite ready to take the seat. We'll move on and we'll give you the chance to do clause 39, okay?
Conservative
Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB
That's generous of you. Thank you, Chair.
(Clause 39 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 40 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 41 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 42 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We're on to new clauses, which are 42.1 and 42.2. We're doing proposed amendment LIB-117.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 43 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 44 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 45 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(Clause 46 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(On clause 47)
On clause 47, there's amendment NDP-85.
By the way, if adopted, PV-127 cannot be moved because of a line conflict.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We're moving to PV-127, and if it's adopted, PV-128 cannot be moved because there will be a line conflict.
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Now we move to PV-128.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on NDP-86.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
LIB-118 is withdrawn, so we are now on PV-129.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on LIB-119.
(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are now moving on to amendment PV-130.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 47 as amended agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(On clause 48)
On clause 48, if PV-131 is adopted, NDP-87 cannot be moved because there will be a line conflict.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We've moving on to NDP-87.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on NDP-88.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on PV-132.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
(Clause 48 agreed to: yeas 6; nays 3)
(On clause 49)
We are on NDP-89.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We're moving on to NDP-90.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on NDP-91. If it is adopted, PV-133 cannot be moved; it's a line conflict.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on PV-133. If it is adopted, NDP-92 cannot be moved as there will be a line conflict.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
We are on LIB-119.1, and the vote will apply to LIB-119.2, as it's consequential.
Conservative
Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB
Were these amendments distributed to the new members?
