Evidence of meeting #2 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was going.

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12:35 p.m.

Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

I just want to go straight to a point that Member Fast raised. I actually think that we don't have a choice to do a CEPA review. I think that the government is going to determine that it has a legislative responsibility that previous administrations have been ignoring—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

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Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

—for years and that we have no choice but to review the legislation holus-bolus, and I know that will take days upon days. It would have to be one of the most important endeavours of this committee.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

It won't be driven by this committee. It'll be driven by the government—

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Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

No, it will be driven by the government.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

—so it's quite different from what we're discussing here.

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Liberal

William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC

Exactly, but it may or may not be one of the minister's priorities and we, as legislators, have free rein to choose what we do. So I'm suggesting that, yes, and that it not be five or ten meetings. I'm talking about a major enterprise that involves clause by clause.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay.

You mentioned SARA, not CEPA, so that was a different one that you were talking about.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

SARA was a different issue. I understand there was a suggestion that we actually do a review.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I threw it out there.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes. That would be initiated here, because I understand that the minister has the desire to open that up right now.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay, it's something we can consider.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay, go ahead, Mr. Shields.

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Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Madam Chair, it's an interesting discussion, and there are lots of good ideas out there. The bankruptcy one is one which I would agree we should look at, because that involves some things that are really interesting to municipalities. They get the brunt of that, so I think that's a good one to follow up and see where that is.

You talked about retrofitting or new recreation facilities. I think one of the challenges that municipalities have is retrofitting, and that's something we can look at and study. Okay, what does retrofitting...? We all have recreation facilities, and we are all challenged to build the new ones, and we seem to, but we always have the old ones. If we can look at retrofitting rec facilities, I think that would be a good one to look at.

We can look at historic sites, absolutely, but let's not save the architecture from the 1960s and 1970s. Maybe we can say that is what we shouldn't build because.... Anyway, 1960s and 1970s architecture is brutal. Historic sites and buildings is a great topic.

Talking about protection of animals and wildlife, my fishing buddies always like to go with me in the national parks because they can all run faster than I can from the bears. I've had many close encounters with grizzly bears and survived because I grew up understanding what the environment is. Most people don't get into the parks and don't understand it. We can live with a lot of the species if we experience and learn how to deal with them. Grizzly bears I've experienced close up many times, but I've known how to deal with it. Most people don't because they don't experience it. If we segregate everything out as an isolated piece of our world that you look at on a video, that's not experiencing our national parks. We need to find ways that people can experience and understand what's in our environment more than they do now. That's where I'd like to be going.

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Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

I'm not going then unless you're with me.

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Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

I'd love to go with you, but yeah, I think you could probably run faster than I can. I've saved a few people who were pretty stupid in national parks with grizzly bears. It just wasn't because I could run faster; you just have to be smarter and understand the environment you're in.

On the wetlands, I totally agree with you. They're the sponge that creates our environment, which is what people don't understand. The wetlands, and all the aspects of them, is a critical piece that I've been involved with for years.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

And water, all that stuff, yes.

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Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Yes, it's what makes water safe, and we need to make sure we understand it.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Thank you very much.

Mr. Cullen.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Great. I tried to catch the themes running around the table.

Chair, you have a bit of a built-in environment for the first few meetings, with the commissioner coming, Parks—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Right.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

—and CEAA. I think with Parks and CEAA showing up, and the commissioner as well, it'll form some of the frame around what I think are probably five main categories that people have raised. One was around parks. The historic, marine, and wetlands issues are sort of offshoots of that. Another category that came up was water. The third one around contaminated sites, maybe study some aspect of bankruptcy, or what processes are going through, and what role the feds play. There was a large conversation around climate that had offshoots around energy, subsidies, clean tech—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Innovation.