Evidence of meeting #89 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was right.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Olivier Champagne  Legislative Clerk, House of Commons
Paula Brand  Director General, Sustainability Directorate, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay.

9:40 a.m.

Legislative Clerk, House of Commons

Olivier Champagne

The amendment to the bill proposes to also replace subsection 9(4) of the act.

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Essentially the amendment is going to replace subsections 9(1), 9(2), and 9(4) of the act.

9:40 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

So you don't agree with subsection 9(1) that is proposed in the bill?

9:40 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

No, subsections 9(1) and 9(2) in the bill are already going to replace subsections 9(1) and 9(2) of the act. The amendment is also going to replace subsection 9(4) in the act.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Yes.

Okay, can you just hold off? We have different amendments overlapping other amendments. Let's just do the one amendment that we're doing. I'm making it confusing.

We're bringing forward NDP-5 because if we approve LIB-2, you will then not get a chance to do what you're trying to do. I'm just trying to be decent and give you a chance to bring forward a subamendment, if you should desire it. I've jumped forward to your NDP-5, okay?

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay. The reason I raise this is if they remove 9(2)—

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

We're not removing.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Yes, you're replacing it.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

No, the bill is replacing subsections 9(1) and (2) in the act. It's already there in the bill. What we're doing now is we're actually going to change 9(4) in the act.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

The bill proposes a new subsection 9(1) and subsection 9(2).

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

And that's going to stay.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Let's make sure we go through this, okay? This LIB-2 replaces line 22 on page 4 of the bill, okay...? Sorry—

9:45 a.m.

Legislative Clerk, House of Commons

Olivier Champagne

This is just to add “(1)”....

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

It's just to add a number, a “(1)”.

Do you guys know what we're doing?

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON

Yes, I do.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Absolutely.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Linda, are you now with us?

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I'm just trying to make sure that goals and targets and strategy are not removed by what they've done.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

They're not.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Why don't you persuade our colleagues on the other side of your NDP-5? I just went to bat for you, because I think they're sensible changes.

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I know, but that's what I'm saying. I think it's more precise. It's clear in subsections (1), (2), and (3) what has to be done. I'm having a hard time seeing that what they've drafted would make it simple for entities to figure out what they're supposed to do and how the commissioner is going to hold them accountable to show that they considered those three things.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Go into the act—

9:45 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I'm looking at the act.

9:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. It's subsection 9(4), “Consultation: first draft”.