Evidence of meeting #19 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Helen Ryan  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Richard Tarasofsky  Deputy Director, Oceans and Environmental Law Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Nathalie Perron  Director, Waste Reduction and Management Division, Department of the Environment
Dany Drouin  Director General, Plastics and Waste Management Directorate, Department of the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Isabelle Duford

3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

I made a mistake earlier and I would not want it to be recorded in the evidence.

In speaking about the hundreds of millions of dollars given to the petrochemical industry by government, I said that Natural Resources Canada gave $150 million to the Centre national de la recherche scientifique. That amount is not $150 million but $150,000. We can see the difference between the hundreds of millions given to the industry and the $150,000 for bioplastics research.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay, that will obviously be noted in the evidence.

3:30 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I thank the witnesses. You are free to go. We really appreciate the time you spent with us at today's meeting.

We will now continue—

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Mr. Chair, I'd like to propose a motion, if I may, before we begin the next portion of our meeting.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair. We are not in committee business, so I don't think it's appropriate for a motion to be made at this time.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

One moment, please.

Thank you again to the witnesses.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair, before the witnesses go.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Go ahead.

March 17th, 2021 / 3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Typically when we do clause-by-clause, we have the witnesses with us so that we may ask questions on an amendment and the impact of an amendment. I am just surprised that the officials have been dismissed, because the practice is that sometimes members of Parliament will have a question about an amendment, and now we will not have the opportunity to ask them what the impact will be.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I don't know how you want to proceed on that. I was told that they felt they couldn't offer legal advice, but you have a point there, Ms. McLeod. They could always comment on the impact of an amendment.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

We've always had officials for clause-by-clause to make comments.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Excuse me for a moment, please. I'm just going to put this on pause for a second. I'll be right back.

Okay, Ms. McLeod, I'm working on it, but we have Mr. Schiefke.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

The motion that I'm actually moving, Mr. Chair, is to the schedule before the committee today—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Mr. Chair, I had a point of order.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I'm sorry. Wait just a second, Mr. Schiefke.

Mr. Albas, what was your point of order?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

I did actually ask about this, Mr. Chair. We're not in committee business, so we're not in a position to present any motions or business.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Right. Well, let me deal with your point of order too. I'll deal with your point of order in just a second.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Just to clarify, Mr. Chair, my motion is to the schedule before the committee today, so it is in order.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

It's in order because it's related to the work today. Is it related to the bill?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Yes.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is it an amendment to the bill?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

No. It's a motion.

Would you like me to read it, Mr. Chair?

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Sure, you can read it.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Schiefke Liberal Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

That the committee hold an additional hearing in relation to the consideration of Bill C-204 before proceeding with clause-by-clause consideration and that the sponsor of the bill and appropriate government officials be invited to attend to answer additional questions.

Mr. Chair, here's a quick synopsis of the reason that I feel this is important. It's simply that a number of issues and challenges have been brought up by the witnesses we've so far had speaking before this committee. I feel that if we're doing our due diligence as a committee, it merits more discussion. I feel that we need to be in a situation where we can hear more about some of the ways in which many of these challenges can be rectified, which I don't think has been done so far, before this is sent back to report stage.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.