Evidence of meeting #39 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Émilie Thivierge  Legislative Clerk
Vincent Ngan  Director General, Horizontal Policy, Engagement and Coordination, Department of the Environment
John Moffet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Angela Crandall
Samuel Millar  Director General, Corporate Finance, Natural Resources and Environment, Economic Development and Corporate Finance, Department of Finance

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Thank you.

The vote is called on G-17.

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Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

On division.

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Liberal

Yvan Baker Liberal Etobicoke Centre, ON

Madam Michaud has her hand up.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Well, the vote was called. Was her hand up before I called the vote?

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Conservative

Dan Albas Conservative Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, BC

Let her be heard. It's probably a better thing to have a person heard.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Ms. Michaud, I ask that you be brief, as I have already called the vote.

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Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm sorry I raised my hand a little too late.

I believe it's good that we're talking about nationally determined contributions again, since that's the target the government set in the bill. They promised to include the new 40% to 45% greenhouse gas reduction target, but they didn't deliver, which is disappointing. Of course, they will define that in the preamble.

To be honest, I must say that I would have voted against the amendment, because we wanted a real target in the bill.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Ms. Michaud, please keep your remarks short, because I have already called the vote.

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Bloc

Kristina Michaud Bloc Avignon—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC

The one time the Bloc Québécois voted against an amendment, the minister held that against us during question period in the House of Commons. I think that's reprehensible.

I will reflect on my vote on this amendment. I think it's shameful that we are talking about the nationally determined contribution in the bill, when the target still hasn't been set.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

All right.

Thank you.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

On NDP-8, we have Mr. Bacharch.

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NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Chair, I'm going to have to find it here in my list, because my—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Would you like me to read it?

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NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Sure. In the interest of time, that would be helpful.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

It's that Bill C-12, in the preamble, be amended by replacing line 6, on page 2, with the following:

change, including by taking Indigenous knowledge into account when carrying out the purposes of this Act;

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NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I think it's fairly self-explanatory. This is to recognize the importance of indigenous knowledge being taken into account, as the amendment states.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I'm calling the vote, unless somebody wants to propose that it pass on division.

Nobody does. Okay.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)

We will go now to NDP-9.

Go ahead, Mr. Bachrach.

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

This amendment inserts the following wording:

Whereas Parliament recognizes that it is the responsibility of the present generation to minimize impacts of climate change on future generations;

I believe this is an incredibly important insertion into the bill to clearly state why we are undertaking this important work.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I've been advised by the clerks that NDP-9 is inadmissible as no amendment to the bill to justify amending the preamble has been adopted.

The amendment seeks to make a substantive modification by adding to the preamble that “Parliament recognizes that it is the responsibility of the present generation to minimize impacts of climate change on future generations”, an element which does not appear in the bill.

Unfortunately, while it's a good sentiment, I have to rule it inadmissible.

We will now go to NDP-10.

Mr. Bachrach.

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NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Mr. Chair, I don't know—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I ruled it inadmissible. You can challenge this if you'd like.

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NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

I won't challenge it at this time.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I'm sorry about that. As I said, it's a nice sentiment. Unfortunately, I can't accept it, based on the advice of the legislative clerks.

However, you still have the floor for NDP-10.

June 9th, 2021 / 7:50 p.m.

NDP

Taylor Bachrach NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Moving on to NDP-10, this is to insert the words “and ambitious action” in the sentence, which would read,

Whereas climate change is a global problem that requires immediate and ambitious action by all governments in Canada as well as by industry, non-governmental organizations and individual Canadians;

It's similar to one of our previous amendments. This is to emphasize the need for ambition in conducting this work.

(Amendment agreed to on division)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Shall the preamble carry?