Evidence of meeting #17 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vehicles.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Reuss  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association
Bernard  Chief Economist, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association
Kingston  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association
Gessaroli  Senior Fellow, Macdonald-Laurier Institute

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Good day, colleagues.

This is meeting number 17 of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development.

This meeting is taking place in a hybrid format and is in public. We have witness testimony for one hour, followed by committee business in camera.

For those in person, please follow the health and safety guidelines on the cards that are found on the table to prevent audio feedback incidents for the translators.

Also, while you are speaking, when you see this card go up, it indicates that you have one more minute left to express all your comments. When I turn it over, it means please end your sentence ASAP, or else I will have to cut you off.

The committee is resuming its study of the electric vehicle availability standard.

This morning we are meeting with the following witnesses: from Canadian Automobile Dealers Association, Tim Reuss and Charles Bernard; from Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association, Brian Kingston; and from the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, Jerome Gessaroli.

You each have five minutes for opening remarks.

We will start with Mr. Tim Reuss.

Tim Reuss President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association

Good morning.

The Canadian Automobile Dealers Association represents 3,400 franchised new car and truck dealers across Canada that directly employ over 178,000 people, contribute $28 billion to Canada's GDP and pay over $6 billion in federal, provincial and municipal taxes. This year, our members will sell over 1.9 million new vehicles, 1.3 million used vehicles and write 31 million repair orders.

Our members have collectively invested over $3.4 billion in the EV transition, but the current mandated pace of the EV transition is not in line with consumer demands or Canada's logistical challenges.

When the electric vehicle availability standard was introduced, the federal government made a number of statements and commitments specifically related to affordability that are not valid anymore:

...consumer purchases of ZEVs will be supported by $2 billion invested by the Government of Canada in the Incentive for Zero Emissions Vehicle Program (iZEV).

That support was initially paused and now has been officially cancelled. The mandated targets were improbable to begin with due to weak consumer demand, technology limitations across vehicle segments and use cases, as well as infrastructure shortfalls. Removing the purchase incentives moved these targets from improbable to impossible.

The Prime Minister and cabinet's decision to pause the 2026 mandates was a very good first step. We appreciate the many opposition and government MPs who have raised this issue as a concern for consumers and for the country.

Now is the time to take the next step and remove these unnecessary mandates altogether. Other existing federal-level regulations will reduce emissions without dictating technology. The Prime Minister has correctly labelled this time a historic trade rupture. In the spirit of all sides coming to the table during this crisis, we make the following suggestions for progress.

Suspend the EV mandate until the future of Canada's auto industry is clearer, based on the outcomes of the negotiations between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico regarding tariffs and a new CUSMA or USMCA.

The federal government should work collaboratively with industry on a revised trajectory for targeted, technology-neutral zero-emission vehicle sales to align with consumer preferences and the actual availability of charging options.

Count all hybrid vehicles, not just plug-in hybrids, towards any new targets.

Exclude EVs and all hybrids from the so-called luxury tax.

Implement a mechanism to prevent automotive companies with no significant manufacturing or dealer footprint investment and employment in Canada, such as Tesla and Rivian, from profiting from the sale of their excess credits.

Last, the federal government should work with B.C. and Quebec to have one framework, not three separate and distinct ones in Canada.

Our chief economist will now provide some data perspectives.

Charles.

Charles Bernard Chief Economist, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association

Thank you, Mr. Reuss.

I wish to thank the committee for their invitation.

My name is Charles Bernard, and I am the chief economist of the Canadian Automobile Dealers Association, CADA.

I think the situation is quite clear. Dealers remain actively committed to providing services and products that enable consumers to purchase and maintain electric vehicles.

The challenge with a vehicle supply that is subject to a standard and which is growing rapidly is that by definition, it is not pegged to the level of demand for electric vehicles. Dealers are currently operating in an environment where demand is not aligned with the pace imposed by mandatory targets.

The numbers are interesting. For example, a look at the most recent data for the second quarter of 2025 shows a positive trend in terms of the uptake of electric vehicles. These figures are 4% in Halifax, 17% in Vancouver and 5% in Winnipeg. The figures for Joliette soar to 16%. I didn’t have the numbers for Repentigny, and so I used the number for a nearby community.

Although this is a positive trend facilitated by dealers, it falls short of the federal mandate. The disparity between the mandated targets and the actual market trajectory is likely to have a negative impact that outweighs the intended benefits of the regulation.

All this comes at the worst time, when prices are going up and accessibility is declining due to tariffs.

In our opinion, the time has come to review the viability of the standard, identify a new approach suited to the current environment based on data and facts from consumers and dealerships, rather than getting bogged down in political positions.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mr. Reuss and Mr. Bernard.

Mr. Kingston, you have the floor for five minutes.

Brian Kingston President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association

Mr. Chair and committee members, thank you for the invitation to appear today as part of your study of the electric vehicle availability standard, the EVAS.

The members of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association are committed to electrification. In fact, they are leading the transition to electric in Canada. Ford and General Motors are the zero-emission vehicles sales-market leaders through the second quarter of this year. Stellantis is the only automaker in Canada manufacturing batteries and assembling a light-duty zero-emission vehicle.

Over the past decade, the number of zero-emission vehicles available for sale to Canadians has increased by 400%. Today, there are 115 models on the market in every size and segment to meet the transportation needs of all Canadians. Despite these investments into electrification, ZEV sales have collapsed. There were 17,192 new ZEVs sold in September 2025. That's a decrease of 43.3% from the same month the previous year. It should be clear to everyone now that federally mandated ZEV sales targets established in the EVAS are unrealistic and unachievable. To meet the 23% sales target for 2027, ZEV sales would need to increase by 256% immediately. Achieving 60% ZEV sales by the 2030 model year is even more unrealistic. It would require a compound annual growth rate of over 48%.

We recommend that the government fully repeal the EVAS and instead focus on building out the supports that Canadians need to go electric. This includes incentives for Canadians to purchase ZEVs and a rapid build-out of charging infrastructure. According to the federal government's own numbers as of October 2025, there are only 37,000 public charging ports in operation. That is far short of the 100,000 needed this year and the 410,000 required by 2035. To support this charging infrastructure, Canada needs to invest in clean electricity generation and grid capacity. NRCan estimates that the grid upgrades required to meet ZEV demand, including generation, transmission and distribution, will cost up to $294 billion over the next 15 years.

Repealing the EVAS does not jeopardize Canada's emissions reduction goals. The EVAS duplicates our existing greenhouse gas emission standards, adding an unnecessary burden without any additional environmental benefit. Canada's GHG emission regulations have already driven significant reductions in vehicle emissions—49.8% for passenger cars and 30.7% for light trucks since 2011. These are outcomes-based, technology-neutral standards that are far superior to the EVAS. They provide flexibility. They support innovation, and they do not distort the market. Persisting with the expensive, duplicative and ineffective EVAS risks inflicting lasting harm on automakers at precisely the wrong moment.

Automakers are under intense pressure due to tariffs and trade disruptions that put the sector and the hundreds of thousands of jobs it supports at risk. To comply with this regulation, automakers are forced to restrict sales of internal combustion engine vehicles and to purchase credits from foreign manufacturers that do not build cars in Canada. If the regulation is not repealed, automakers will have to remove between 700,000 and 900,000 gas-powered and fuel-efficient hybrid vehicle sales from this market starting this year, and they will have to purchase over $3 billion in compliance credits. Of the 1.3 million vehicles built in Canada last year, 95% will be prohibited for sale in this country because of the EVAS. This would be devastating for the auto industry, dealerships and the Canadian economy.

Canadians will ultimately bear the brunt of this regulation in the form of job losses, higher vehicle prices and less availability as vehicle restrictions limit inventories. According to Environment Canada's own assessment of the regulation, the EVAS will have a disproportionate impact on low-income Canadians, rural Canadians and northern communities that are going to face higher vehicle prices and have limited access to charging infrastructure. That is in Environment Canada's own assessment of this regulation.

As the Prime Minister has said, “In the face of a changing global landscape, we [must focus] on what we can control”. Repealing the EVAS is the most effective way to protect this critical industry and ensure that Canadians are spared from the damaging effects of this regulation.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mr. Kingston.

The floor is yours for five minutes, Mr. Gessaroli.

Jerome Gessaroli Senior Fellow, Macdonald-Laurier Institute

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the committee, for the opportunity to speak today.

I want to address a central challenge facing Canada's electric vehicle availability standard, which is the trade-off between speeding up zero-emission vehicle adoption and creating uneven costs for households in regions.

No one disputes the importance of lowering transportation emissions, but the pace the EVAS imposes can create affordability pressures. To be effective, the transition must work for all households. The concerns I highlight cover income, access and region.

Number one is that EV mandates can raise costs for families with limited means. Mandates require automakers to sell a fixed share of EVs, even when consumer demand lags. Manufacturers may respond by reducing the supply of lower-priced gas models, which drives up prices for gas vehicles. This raises the costs for drivers who cannot yet switch to an EV.

We often hear that the average EV price will soon match gas vehicle prices, but this comparison is misleading. Lower-income families typically shop below the average price point, putting EVs out of reach. Moreover, higher new vehicle prices spill into the used vehicle market, where most lower-income families buy cars. As used vehicle prices rise, many households will keep older, higher-emitting vehicles longer.

Number two is that EV benefits are not yet shared evenly across income groups. EVs offer lower operating costs, especially for drivers with home charging, but access to those savings is very uneven. Higher-income households are more likely to buy new EVs and have a garage or driveway for charging. Renters and lower-income families often lack both home charging and affordable credit.

In B.C., electricity for home charging costs less than eight cents per kilowatt hour, while public fast charging costs roughly four to eight times more. Over 10 years, a renter could pay about $7,000 more for electricity than a homeowner driving the same distance. Many lower-income households simply cannot afford the upfront cost of financing for a new EV. The Parliamentary Budget Officer estimates that EVs still cost roughly $7,000 to $11,500 more than gas vehicles, pricing out the very households that could benefit most from lower operating costs.

Number three is about rural and remote communities. Longer driving distances, cold climates, towing requirements and sparse charging networks all reduce EV practicality in rural and northern regions. Meeting federal goals would require building roughly 98 new public charging ports every day until 2035, highlighting how uneven the rollout could be for communities with the weakest charging access. Mandates also raise prices and reduce the availability of these vehicles that communities rely on, creating regional disparities. Urban areas may see more early benefits from electrification, while rural and remote communities face higher costs and fewer viable options.

Number four is about how the tension is ambition versus affordability. If we push EV adoption faster than consumers, budgets and infrastructure can support it, the uneven impacts will fall most heavily on households with fewer resources, especially renters and rural residents. As it is currently designed, the tension within the EVAS falls too much against affordability, so achieving electrification fairly will require substantial adjustments and a more realistic timeline.

A more balanced approach would include aligning mandates with realistic consumer demand and infrastructure rollout; mandates acting as a guide or a nudge, not compelling automakers into costly adjustments; and focusing on emission outcomes, rather than prescribing technologies. Ultimately, what matters is cutting GHG emissions efficiently. The market can determine the most efficient mix of technologies.

In closing, we all want to reduce GHG emissions, but not at the cost of wider economic divides. Recognizing these impacts is essential to a fair transition.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Angelo Iacono

Thank you, Mr. Gessaroli.

Mr. Bexte, from the Conservative Party, you have the floor for six minutes.

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, witnesses, for being here today, and thank you to the clerks for keeping track of what we do.

Those were very powerful opening statements. I appreciate all of you and what you've contributed here today.

Mr. Kingston, last month this committee heard some pretty powerful testimony from Alberta auto dealer Doug Green. He described the necessary infrastructure investments at the dealership level that were seemingly unrecoverable: inventory that couldn't be sold and shrinking margins with rural customers walking away. We can couple that with his statement that roughly 50% of the vehicles that typical dealerships sell, especially in the prairies and rural areas, are vocational vehicles that impact trade and GDP-generating activities.

How widespread do you think these pressures are across the country with this forced capital spending on infrastructure and the unsaleable inventory? Can you talk to this rural-urban mismatch and how this manifests?

11:15 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association

Brian Kingston

Yes, this is one of the biggest challenges with EV mandates, because you see different uptake levels and demand levels depending on where you are in the country. In urban areas, you'll see dealerships that have significant demand for this. In rural areas, in some instances you'll be lucky if you sell a single EV in a year. This is the problem with trying to force a mandated sales target.

What happens as a manufacturer is that you have to balance this equation among your sales. If you have a dealership in a rural part of Canada where 90% of vehicle sales are combustion engine pickup trucks, for example, when that dealership goes to order its vehicles, it now will be told, “We can't give you that full order. We have to give you electric.”

That's even if you have never had someone come through the door saying that they would like to purchase an electric vehicle. The result is that the dealer has to carry that inventory and then eventually end up selling the vehicle at a loss.

If this is truly about inventory, that problem has been solved. There are more models than ever. We just released a survey this morning from Leger, in which we asked Canadians what their biggest barrier is to EV adoption. The last choice they picked—11% of respondents—was inventory challenges. It is a non-factor. If you want an EV, you can find one. You can buy one.

We need to actually focus on helping people make the switch and not forcing them to.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Related to that, you mentioned the credits. Are you aware of any Canadian automakers that have already purchased compliance credits from other car companies internationally?

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association

Brian Kingston

Yes. Automakers have already purchased over $1 billion in compliance credits to prepare themselves for these targets out to 2030.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Where do those credits go? Do they go out of the country?

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association

Brian Kingston

Presumably, they're being purchased from a foreign automaker.

This is a company in Canada giving money to foreign automakers to comply.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

That is flight of capital. That is resource and wealth from this nation that has evaporated and is not available.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Is that Tesla?

A voice

Yes.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Okay. Thank you.

Mr. Kingston, you originally supported the EV mandate back in December 2022 and mentioned that your members invested billions of dollars in the technology. Why has your position changed?

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association

Brian Kingston

We've never supported the EV mandate. We've been clear from the get-go. We've always—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

I'm sorry.

Mr. Reuss.

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association

Tim Reuss

We as well were supportive of the direction being taken to reduce emissions overall, but we were also very clear from the beginning that this is a regulation layered on top of one that already exists. We already have greenhouse gas emission reduction targets in place over the next couple of years. This is just one added level of complexity that is dictating technology to consumers.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

We've heard the Liberals often say that the mandate doesn't restrict consumer choice and that it even increases it. Can you explain a bit more that impact on consumer choice?

11:20 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Automobile Dealers Association

Tim Reuss

If you're in a rural area, we have regions in the country where 80% to 90% of the market is pickups. That's the vehicle you need—not the vehicle you want—in order to run your business, your farm and, yes, also to run to the grocery store. Those are the types of vehicles you need.

Initially, EVs were not available in the market. They are now available in the market, but the key pieces, the infrastructure to support those vehicles, is not in place. If you're in a rural area and you now have, yes, an electric pickup that is available, on average you're driving 400 miles. By the way, that mileage is reduced by almost 40% if the temperature is very cold in rural areas. You can no longer use that vehicle for what you need it for. You're left with having to go to an internal combustion engine, even if you would like to have an electric vehicle.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Thank you.

Mr. Gessaroli, could you explain a little bit more and expand on the time value of money? You mentioned the high upfront cost with cheaper operating costs down the road, but how much of a barrier is that to entry, especially for low-income families or families in remote locations?

11:20 a.m.

Senior Fellow, Macdonald-Laurier Institute

Jerome Gessaroli

In terms of the time value of money, a dollar today is worth more than a dollar in five years' time. It's also more expensive to buy something today than—

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

David Bexte Conservative Bow River, AB

Exactly, so even if there are cost savings over a 10-year period, vehicle ownership value is less than the extra cost to buy the vehicle.