Evidence of meeting #44 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pollution.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Rochman  Associate Professor, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Scott Thurlow  Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada
Ross  Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation
Moffatt  President and Chief Executive Officer, Chemistry Industry Association of Canada
Wirsig  Senior Program Manager, Plastics, Environmental Defence Canada
Merante  Senior Plastics Campaigner, Oceana Canada

11:30 a.m.

Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation

Peter Ross

Through the chair, thank you very much for that. Dr. Rochman would be able to complement any response I might offer.

I will say that, in general terms, we feel as though 80% of ocean pollution comes from land-based activities. There's no question that plastics and microplastics are entering waterways throughout our terrestrial environments and paddling to the sea. They're heading down to the sea, where we suffer the consequences.

In terms of the source of microplastics in particular, we're very concerned about waste-water treatment plants that discharge liquid effluent containing microplastics. In Vancouver, we have five major waste-water treatment plants. One of those, the largest, releases an estimated 30 billion particles of plastic every single year. That represents less than 5% of the microplastics that enter the plant. Much of that is from our clothing. We lose 10 million fibres every time we wash a single load of laundry, and that enters the waste-water stream.

Ninety-five per cent of those fibres are retained as solid waste and redistributed under federal policy, CCME policy and provincial legislation as biosolids. They're spread onto farmlands, in mining reclamation and in silviculture. Those plastics are not degraded. We now have microplastics throughout our farms. They will ultimately drain slowly but steadily into our waterways, where they can affect spawning salmon and other wildlife downstream.

Big sources on land are absolutely associated with our activities as humans.

The Chair Liberal Shannon Miedema

Thank you very much, Mr. Greaves.

Mr. Bonin now has the floor for six minutes.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Thurlow, how many employees do you have in Canada?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

We're at just over 1,200 Dow employees right now. Then there are several thousand people on site, building the new facility.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Okay.

How many employees in Canada work directly in plastic production?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

I would have to get back to the committee with an answer on that, but I assume it's the overwhelming majority of them.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Yes, you may submit your response in writing. We would appreciate it.

What percentage of the plastic you produce comes from fossil fuels, oil or gas?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

In Canada, right now, it is almost 100%—

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Okay.

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

—because we're in the process of transitioning.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

What levels of greenhouse gas emissions are associated with producing this oil and gas?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

Well, today's emissions are very different from 2030's emissions, which will be zero.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

What are the current emissions associated with oil and gas production?

11:30 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

Again, I don't have that number off the top of my head, but it is available in the national pollutant release inventory.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Okay.

You can provide your written response to the committee. Thank you.

You're talking about chemical recycling, and you want funding for that, as I understand it.

Can you provide us with information about the process you're referring to? Who are the buyers? What are the emissions, and what are the pollutants?

Can you provide that to us, please?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Advisor, Government Affairs, Dow Canada

W. Scott Thurlow

That could be a book. I'm happy to do my very best to give the committee useful information.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

We'd like to see some numbers on that. Thank you.

Mr. Ross, you're talking about recycling.

In Canada, is it still true that barely 9% of plastic is recycled?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation

Peter Ross

Yes, barely 9% of this type of pollution is recycled.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Canada is part of the High Ambition Coalition to Eliminate Plastic, which will participate in the future global treaty on plastic. This coalition, of which Canada is a member, emphasizes the importance of reducing production.

Do you agree that it's important to reduce pollution and that recycling alone won't be enough?

June 11th, 2026 / 11:35 a.m.

Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation

Peter Ross

First, recycling isn't working very well in Canada. I think we can all agree on that. Barely 9% of plastic is recycled, and that percentage has remained the same for 20 years. Things aren't changing. We've had some small successes here and there, but recycling isn't working very well. That's partly because virgin plastic is cheaper than recycled plastic. It's a challenge, it's a problem.

Second, food packaging needs to be safe, and retailers prefer plastic that's safe. With recycled plastic, you don't know if it contains chemicals or toxins. That's a second challenge.

So, what can we do? A cap—a limit on plastic production—is, in my view, the only way to prevent a continuous discharge of pollution into our coastal waters. However, I also fully agree with my colleague that it's very important to establish an improved recycling system in Canada. While this isn't the whole solution, it is important.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Okay.

You're talking about a cap, but, as I understand it, the high ambition coalition is seeking to reduce production. Otherwise, we're talking about roughly doubling production over the next 20 years.

Do you agree that we need to reduce production at the source and also promote reuse, before even talking about recycling?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation

Peter Ross

I completely agree.

I have two points to make about plastic. It's a useful material, but it poses a pollution problem. So, we need to support the value of plastic in our economy or increase the value of that plastic.

That means that, for recycled products, we need labelling that tells us what they contain. We don't want to see tens of thousands of formulations that don't tell us whether it's safe to use them to make bottles, hot dog wrappers and so on.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Would one of the first steps be to ban single-use plastics?

11:35 a.m.

Senior Scientist, Raincoast Conservation Foundation

Peter Ross

That would be a fairly aggressive goal.

That said, since 47% of plastic pollution comes from packaging, it is something to target. Furthermore, Canadian innovation is thriving today. Money is being invested in that area. While there are no representatives here to discuss the value of alternatives, they do exist. There are all kinds of options—alternative materials—that contribute to the Canadian economy and help protect the environment.

Patrick Bonin Bloc Repentigny, QC

Could you please provide the committee with information on those alternatives?