Evidence of meeting #14 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mulroney.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Luc Lavoie  As an Individual
François Martin  As an Individual
Erica Pereira  Committee Clerk, , House of Commons

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did you ask him any questions about that meeting?

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As an Individual

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

You were his communications representative, he was your client, you worked closely with him, and the question of Schreiber, of exchanges of funds, was no doubt important. You say you never had that discussion?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

The discussion concerning a meeting in Zurich in 1998?

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Yes.

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

No, it never came up. That's recent information.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

How do you feel about the fact that your client didn't talk to you about something as important as that meeting?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

I'm not that subject to moods. I was very proud to serve Mr. Mulroney, and I am still proud of our friendship.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Did Mr. Mulroney inform you about the Harrington Lake meeting with Mr. Schreiber in 1993?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

Did he inform me about it? No.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

In his testimony before this committee, he spoke about a contract under which he was to conduct international business for Thyssen. Did he talk to you about that?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

At what time?

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

During your professional relationship.

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

There was a period before these matters became public, and afterward.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

Yes.

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

During the period from November 1995, when my involvement with Mr. Mulroney started, until the spring of 2000, these matters were never discussed. They were starting in the spring of 2000, but we never talked about them in detail.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

From what year to what year were you with Mr. Mulroney when he was Prime Minister?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

It was from January 1988 to August 1991.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

So when the agreement was signed with Thyssen for the Bear Head project—by four of his ministers, I believe—you were aware of that agreement?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

No, I don't remember. I wasn't involved in that file at all.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

But you were the director of communications?

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

I was deputy chief of staff. I handled operations.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

That file nevertheless had a certain degree of importance in the Prime Minister's office. According to the evidence heard here, the Prime Minister received visitors concerning this matter, there were meetings with Mr. Tellier and Mr. Spector, as chief of staff, and subsequently the chief of staff who followed him was always involved in this file.

But you're telling us that the deputy chief of staff was not at all aware of the Thyssen project.

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As an Individual

Luc Lavoie

I was not at all aware of that project, except through the media. I remember very clearly that the media talked about a project for Cape Breton.

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Liberal

Robert Thibault Liberal West Nova, NS

We can assume it was a secret project.