Evidence of meeting #40 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas

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An hon. member

You're excused.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

He's not reading my full amendment.

Mr. Chair, you have to read my full amendment, with a period after “during the 2006 election”, and eliminate the balance of the motion.

That way, we're discussing the investigation of actions of all three parties in the election of 2006, period. The part about the public office holders and all those other things would be eliminated in my amendment.

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An hon. member

I like that.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So that is in order, sir.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order, please.

I understand that the amendment deletes everything after the word “election” and putting in the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois.

The amendment is out of order.

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An hon. member

Why?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

It is beyond the scope, and it changes the nature of the motion adopted by the committee, which was to look at the ethical....

Order! Order, please.

I have ruled that it's out of order for the reason that including other parties is beyond the scope and the extent of the motion adopted by the committee. Under the last paragraph of our mandate, it is specified that we deal only with public office holders, of which there are none in the Liberal or Bloc parties.

I would therefore rule it out of order for those reasons.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Can we debate that?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Brian Mulroney is not a public office holder.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I've ruled it out of order. Excuse me. I've just made a ruling. The amendment is out of order.

Carry on, Mr. Wallace.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Can we speak to that, at least? Give us a chance to speak to that.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

I don't know why I'm even in here. I have no idea why I'm sitting here. You won't let me speak. You won't let me say anything. You've even cut off my microphone. I can't make the microphone work. The lights are going next.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Is Brian Mulroney a public office holder?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Then why did you call him?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I'm sorry. I've ruled on the amendment by Mr. Wallace.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

You gave us no opportunity to speak on this.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Because it's prima facie out of order.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Mr. Chair, surely to goodness you're going to hear reasoned arguments on this.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Mr. Wallace, you have the floor. Do you want to continue?

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

You just jump in and say what you want to say before anybody can say anything.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Motion to challenge the chair.

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Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

You do that continually. You have no right to do that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order, please.

The chair has been challenged by Mr. Poilievre. The chair has ruled that the Wallace amendment is out of order.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Roll call vote.