Evidence of meeting #108 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.
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Conservative
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Thanks, Chair.
I actually support what Mr. Villemure put forward as a suggestion. I think as a committee we could ask Mr. Wernick to provide that documentation to us.
I notice, now that we have a copy of the motion, that Mr. Brock has asked for documents to March 19, 2024. My question is actually for Mr. Brock. Is he asking Mr. Wernick to provide private correspondence he might have had since he left government? That seems completely unreasonable, Chair.
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Conservative
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Jarislowsky Chair in Public Sector Management, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
I've had no communications with any of those companies since leaving government, so it would be an empty file.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
The challenge we have right now is that we do have a motion that's been presented. We have to deal with the motion as presented on the floor. I appreciate the intervention by Monsieur Villemure, and I appreciate your intervention.
Mr. Brock has proposed a motion. He did ask initially for unanimous consent on his motion, so I'm going to seek that. Do we have unanimous consent on that?
Okay.
Monsieur Villemure, is that oui?
Is that “yes”, Mr. Green?
I just need unanimous consent.
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Liberal
Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC
I don't think we agree, because, as Ms. Damoff mentioned to you, we potentially want to offer some amendments.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Mr. Housefather, I'm going to accept that.
Now on the motion, not seeing any further discussion, I am going to call for a vote.
Madam Clerk, could you take the vote, please?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
It wasn't, Ms. Damoff, because I did look at the screen. I'm sorry, but it was not.
I called the vote and I'm going to go to the vote right now. Thank you.
Go ahead, Madam Clerk.
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Liberal
George Chahal Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB
On a point of order, no vote had been called, Mr. Chair.
Ms. Damoff had her hand up, Mr. Chair. You were not paying attention. You were looking at your colleagues, looking for direction.
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Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
You're yelling. Think of the interpreters.
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Liberal
George Chahal Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB
I'm not yelling. You should turn your mic off.
I have a point of order. Mr. Barrett, I have a point of order.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Just hang on a second.
Mr. Chahal, I appreciate your point. As I was discussing the options and I saw there was no consent—Mr. Housefather indicated that—I checked to see if there were any further hands up or any further discussion and there was not, so I did call the vote.
I do see a couple of hands on points of order.
Ms. Damoff's hand is up now, and then it's Mr. Green.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
George, you're not the Chair of this committee, so let me do my job. If you have a point to make, make it and make it relevant.
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Liberal
George Chahal Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB
You have not allowed me to talk about my point of order, Mr. Chair. You've interrupted me every time.
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Liberal
George Chahal Liberal Calgary Skyview, AB
I have a point of order, and you've interrupted me again, as did your colleague.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
George, your point of order was that the vote wasn't called, and I just answered that and said the vote was called.
I'm going to go to Ms. Damoff and then Mr. Green after that because I did see your hand.
This is on a point of order, so go ahead, Ms. Damoff.
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Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Thank you, Chair.
On the point of order, I did have my hand up. There might have been a difference of a second between when my finger hit it and when you called the vote, but we were talking about Monsieur Villemure's suggestion and I had my hand up to offer an amendment to the motion. I really think we're not that far off here.
Mr. Wernick has been very open about what he can provide to the committee, and Mr. Brock wants to know what correspondence he's had. He can provide us with what was tabled before. He said he's had nothing for the last five years.