And it is in all departments. We are seeing lease-back of buildings. We see it in the Canada Revenue Agency. There are not enough people, so they outsource. The example I used before was on the computer systems programs, where there was sole-sourced outsourcing of computer services to IBM and ICG. You know yourselves that if your staff has problems with the computer systems, now they have to call somebody who refers to someone else and then to someone else. We are not getting good value for our money, and it is not transparent. As I mentioned before, it goes around hiring processes.
There is also leakage of personal security and personal information, because these companies are no longer Canadian; they are in other countries, and we don't have a good hold on where this information is. This is tax information. This is information for health services, old age security, that kind of information. Very personal information is now being outsourced to other countries.
