Evidence of meeting #94 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
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9:45 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Yes. Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Again, I would request that we do have yet another recorded vote, please.
Thank you.
9:45 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It is a recorded vote on NDP-14.
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Next is NDP-15.
Is it on division? No.
Go ahead, Mr. Lamoureux.
9:45 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
No. Madam Chairperson, again I would suggest that we do have another recorded vote on this.
9:45 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It's a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall clause 208 carry?
9:45 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Madam Chairperson, I think it's important that we have a recorded vote on this motion, please.
9:45 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It is a recorded vote for clause 208.
(Clause 208 agreed to: yeas 8; nays 3)
(On clause 209—Order in council)
For clause 209, we have amendment LIB-198.
Is it on division?
9:45 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Madam Chairperson, again I would request that we have a recorded vote on this, please.
9:45 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It's a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Shall Clause 209 carry?
Go ahead, Mr. Lamoureux.
9:45 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Madam Chairperson, again I would like to see us have a recorded vote on this.
9:45 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It's a recorded vote.
(Clause 209 agreed to: yeas 8; nays 3)
(On clause 210)
On clause 210, we have Liberal amendment 199.
Go ahead, Mr. Lamoureux.
9:50 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Madam Chairperson, I would request that we do have a recorded vote on this, please.
9:50 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
It will be a recorded vote on LIB-199.
(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Next we have Liberal....
Excuse me just a minute; I'm just getting clarification from the clerk.
Committee members, I am ruling that the next batch of amendments, from LIB-200 to LIB-215, are not admissible. They are all dealing with salary increases that would increase the budget, so they are not admissible as amendments. We'll not be voting on those.
Go ahead, Madame Moore.
9:50 p.m.
NDP
Christine Moore NDP Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC
Madam Chair, could we take a quick break for five minutes after the vote on clause 210?
9:50 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Just before we take a break, Madam Chairperson, I'm not perfectly clear on that. You're saying clauses.... I didn't quite catch what you were saying. Was it clauses 200 to...?
9:50 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
Mr. Lamoureux, it's amendments LIB-200 to LIB-215. I'm ruling that they're not admissible because I'm advised by the clerk that every one of them deals with an increase in salary for judges, which would be an increase in the budget, and as you well know, these amendments are not in order if they increase the budget.
9:50 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Again, I'm somewhat new to the finance committee. I thought that given that it is a budget bill.... I don't have the context because what happened, Madam Chairperson, is that when we went right into the clause by clause, I put my....
9:50 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
Excuse me. Just a minute. Excuse me.
I'm going read the ruling, and then it is not debatable.
Bill C-45amends the Judges Act to establish the yearly salaries of judges of various judiciaries. These amendments propose to increase these amounts proposed. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, second edition, states on pages 767 and 768:
Since an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown, it is inadmissible if it imposes a charge on the public treasury, or if it extends the objects or purposes or relaxes the conditions and qualifications specified in the royal recommendation.
Therefore, in the opinion of the chair the amendment increasing the salary amounts proposed in the bill would alter the terms and conditions of the royal recommendation. Therefore I rule the amendments inadmissible.
This ruling is not debatable.
9:55 p.m.
Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
Madam Chair, I just wanted to express that with all due respect—trust me, all due respect—I would have to challenge the ruling of the chair.
9:55 p.m.
NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Peggy Nash
Shall the chair's ruling be sustained?
(Ruling of the chair sustained)
9:55 p.m.
Liberal