Evidence of meeting #208 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was payment.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mark Schaan  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
Marianna Giordano  Director, Canada Pension Plan Policy and Legislation, Department of Employment and Social Development
Nathalie Martel  Director, Old Age Security Policy and Public Pension Statistics Division, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Deborah Elder  Senior Director, Pensions and Benefits Sector, Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Simon Crabtree  Executive Director, Pensions and Benefits Sector, Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer, Treasury Board Secretariat
Jeannine Ritchot  Executive Director, Regulatory Policy and Cooperation Directorate, Regulatory Affairs Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
David Spicer  Vice-President, Regulatory Modernization, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
David Lee  Chief Regulatory Officer, Issues Management, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health
Greg Loyst  Director General, Policy and Regulatory Strategies Directorate, Department of Health
Tim Krawchuk  Manager, Excise Duty Operations – Alcohol, Canada Revenue Agency
Tolga Yalkin  Director General, Consumer Product Safety Directorate, Department of Health
Sylvain Souligny  Director General, Legislative and Oversight Management, Department of Transport
Jason Flint  Director General, Policy, Communications and Regulatory Affairs Directorate, Department of Health
Cindy Evans  Director General, Centre for Biosecurity, Public Health Agency of Canada
Sara Wiebe  Director General, Air Policy, Department of Transport
Keith Jones  Acting Director, International Marine Policy, Department of Transport
Katherine Richer  Senior counsel, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada Legal services, Department of Justice
Cynthia Leach  Director, Housing Finance, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Robert Sample  Director General, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
David LeDrew  Senior Advisor and Economist, Department of Finance
Michel Tremblay  Senior Vice President, Policy, Research and Public Affairs, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation
Karen Hall  Director General, Social Policy Directorate, Strategic and Service Policy Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Hugues Vaillancourt  Senior Director, Social Development Policy Division, Social Policy Directorate, Strategic and Service Policy Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Elizabeth Douglas  Director General, Service Delivery and Program Management, Department of Veterans Affairs
Atiq Rahman  Director General, Canada Student Loans Program, Learning Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Michael Nadler  Acting Chief Executive Officer, Parks Canada Agency
Kevin McNamee  Director, Protected Areas Establishment Branch, Parks Canada Agency
Crawford Kilpatrick  Director General, Strategic Sourcing Sector, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Shawn Gardner  Senior Director, Real Property Service Management Contract Division, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Christopher Meszaros  Senior Counsel, Department of Justice

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Say five years down the road we go the other way. Will there be a willingness to shrink the number of judges in the court system?

5:20 p.m.

Senior counsel, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada Legal services, Department of Justice

Katherine Richer

It would require another amendment to the Federal Courts Act to change the number.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We wouldn't want them sitting around idle.

5:20 p.m.

Adèle Berthiaume

No. That's monitored on a regular basis to see what their workload is and how the court is dealing with it. We can't say ahead of time.

Those judges wouldn't be removed, because for judicial independence, once a judge is appointed, you wouldn't be able to do that, but the need for new judges, because of other initiatives, would be taken into consideration. We'd know that there are other things happening that will require those judges.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

You could reduce them by attrition, right?

5:20 p.m.

Senior counsel, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada Legal services, Department of Justice

Katherine Richer

That's correct.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

As they move out of the system, there has to be some time we have to slow this increasing....

I'd better not get into that.

The cost of this, between judges salaries and court costs, and so on, is $1.65 million in the first year.

There's also a cost on the other side. If we're not dealing with these cases quickly enough, there are all the costs on that side, too. Do you have any idea what those costs are?

5:20 p.m.

Adèle Berthiaume

Do you mean the total cost for the whole initiative?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I don't mean on the judge side. If we're not dealing with the asylum cases properly, we're paying some of those costs in terms of housing, and so on. Do you have any idea what the cost is on that side?

We're investing $1.65 million. I expect there has to be a balance or a return here somehow.

5:25 p.m.

Senior counsel, Immigration, Refugee and Citizenship Canada Legal services, Department of Justice

Katherine Richer

Do you mean, what would be the cost to the court if a backlog were...?

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

What would be the cost of leaving a backlog in place?

5:25 p.m.

Adèle Berthiaume

The impact is on all the other cases. It means that justice for other people who are involved in that system.... They are not getting—

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

They're not getting justice.

5:25 p.m.

Adèle Berthiaume

They're not getting justice and they're waiting a long time to get that. It bogs down the court and it therefore creates other effects also.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

It's a mushrooming effect.

Are there any other questions on the Federal Courts Act, on division 17? None?

Arnold, are you just stretching?

Thank you both.

We'll turn to division 18, concerning the National Housing Act.

Division 18 and division 19 officials are at the table, I'm told.

Who is to lead off?

Ms. Leach.

Cynthia, I'll let you introduce your folks, and we'll go from there on national housing.

May 6th, 2019 / 5:25 p.m.

Cynthia Leach Director, Housing Finance, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

My name is Cynthia Leach. I'm the director of housing finance at the Department of Finance.

5:25 p.m.

Robert Sample Director General, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

I'm Robert Sample, director general of capital markets division at the Department of Finance.

5:25 p.m.

David LeDrew Senior Advisor and Economist, Department of Finance

I'm David LeDrew, senior adviser, housing finance.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

The floor is yours.

5:25 p.m.

Director, Housing Finance, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Cynthia Leach

Thank you.

Division 18 of part 4 amends the National Housing Act to allow CMHC, the legislative authority, to deliver the first-time homebuyer incentive announced in budget 2019.

The first-time homebuyer incentive is a unique financing model that will help make home ownership more affordable for first-time homebuyers. The incentive would provide eligible first-time homebuyers with funding of 5% or 10% of the home purchase price. This would give eligible first-time homebuyers the ability to lower their borrowing costs by sharing the costs of buying a home with CMHC. The buyer would repay the incentive later, for example, on resale.

The amendments allow CMHC to acquire an interest or right in a housing project that is occupied or intended to be occupied by the owner of the project and to make an investment in order to acquire such an interest or right. The amendments also clarify that the Minister of Finance will approve terms and conditions for the incentive program.

We're available for your questions.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Sorbara is next, and then it will be Mr. Dusseault.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Is there any estimation of how many first-time homebuyers this plan would assist?

5:25 p.m.

Director, Housing Finance, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Cynthia Leach

The department has estimated that the program could assist up to 100,000 buyers over the three years.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

When do we anticipate the structure to be put in place?

5:25 p.m.

Director, Housing Finance, Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Cynthia Leach

As the budget announced, the implementation is planned for September for the first-time homebuyer incentive.