Evidence of meeting #5 for Finance in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was innovation.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Perry Eisenschmid  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Pharmacists Association
Nancy Déziel  Executive Director, Centre national en électrochimie et en technologies environnementales
Denise Amyot  President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada
Brendan Marshall  Senior Director, Economic and Northern Affairs, Mining Association of Canada
Evelyn Forget  Professor, University of Manitoba, As an Individual
Brian Kingston  Vice-President, International and Fiscal Issues, Business Council of Canada
Jeannie Baldwin  Regional Executive Vice-President, Executive Office, Public Service Alliance of Canada
Bonnie Johnston  Chief Executive Officer, Sheldon Kennedy Child Advocacy Centre

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We'll call the meeting to order. This is the fifth meeting of the Standing Committee on Finance, and pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we'll be continuing pre-budget consultations for budget 2016.

Before we begin with witnesses, we have a little bit of housekeeping to take care of or we won't be able to follow-through on our commitment to provide assistance to witnesses getting here from afar.

You have a budget before you. It's on that long sheet of paper. It's a budget for $55,150. It was budgeted for basically 44 witnesses. You do know that we have 92, but it's based on those that will be asking for travel or the video conference costs. There are many national organizations on short notice that are in Ottawa and are able to come at maybe a taxi chit expense, if that.

Are there any questions on the budget? If not, I require a mover to put a motion that the proposed budget in the amount of $55,150 for the study on the pre-budget consultations 2016 be adopted and that the chair present the said budget to the liaison committee.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Steven MacKinnon Liberal Gatineau, QC

I so move.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Any further discussion?

(Motion agreed to)

Thank you very much.

Turning to the witnesses, thank you all for coming. I know it was fairly short notice, especially for some who got a call late last evening.

We'll start with the Canadian Pharmacists Association.

Mr. Eisenschmid.

11:05 a.m.

Perry Eisenschmid Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Pharmacists Association

Mr. Chair, committee members, thank you very much for the opportunity to appear before you today to present some of our priorities for the 2016 federal budget.

We strongly believe that a healthy population is key to ensuring a vibrant and productive economy, both now and into the future. The Canadian Pharmacists Association is the national voice for pharmacy in Canada, and we're focused on advancing the health and well-being of Canadians through excellence in pharmacist care.

There are 39,000 hard-working pharmacists who work in community and hospital pharmacies across the country, and they are often the first point of contact for patients and their families within the health care system. Over the past 10 years we've seen pharmacists' scope of practice expand significantly beyond simple drug dispensing, and Canadian pharmacists are now world leaders in advanced pharmacy practice.

Today we would like to offer three recommendations for the committee's consideration. These recommendations are not only essential to the future sustainability of our health care system, but also critical to ensuring that pharmacists across the country can provide the best possible care to their patients.

The first area is improved drug access. We recommend that the federal government work with the provinces and territories, health care professionals, and other stakeholders to ensure that Canadians have access to the medication and pharmacy services they need to be healthy. As front-line health care professionals, pharmacists see the devastating impact on their patients when they are not able to afford the drugs and services they need.

We acknowledge that there are pros and cons to every potential pharmacare model. So far, a universal single-payer model has dominated the discussion; yet according to a study we released this past January, such a model would cost taxpayers an additional $6.6 billion per year. Furthermore, it could dramatically decrease the number of medications currently covered and increase wait times for new medications to receive coverage.

The Canadian Pharmacists Association believes that our first priority should be addressing the existing gaps in coverage between public and private systems to protect Canadians from undue financial hardship. In the next few weeks we will be releasing a major report looking at four potential pan-Canadian pharmacare models. This report will provide not only the costs and potential cost savings of each model, but also the qualitative benefits and trade-offs of each.

However, the cost of drugs is only one part of the puzzle. Prescription drugs represent only 13% of total health spending in Canada, and the growth in drug spending has slowed in recent years. A singular focus on cost containment instead of on improving care and health outcomes or on value for health dollars risks missed opportunities for cost savings in other areas of the health system—through effective prescribing and medication adherence, to name but two.

Pharmacare has to be about more than just the cost of drugs. After all, we're talking about pharmacare, not pharma cost. To ensure appropriate pharmacare, access to essential pharmacy services must also be part of the solution. Ensuring appropriate prescribing and medication adherence are key to overall patient health and to the long-term sustainability of any pan-Canadian pharmacare model.

The second issue of importance is e-prescribing. Our second recommendation is essential to ensuring that the right drug gets to the right patient at the right time. We recommend that the federal government invest in the development of a seamless pan-Canadian e-prescribing system. Much as it sounds, e-prescribing is the secure electronic sharing of prescription information between health providers. It is a means of communicating important prescription information between pharmacists, physicians, nurses, and other relevant providers.

When properly implemented, e-prescribing reduces the possibility of errors, it reduces back-and-forth communication between health care providers, and it allows for the integration of safety and alert systems when prescriptions are issued. Such a system will save lives and reduce health care costs. This is why we urge the federal government to work with key stakeholders, including the provinces and territories, to develop a common national standard for e-prescribing and then develop a plan to implement that standard.

Finally, the last area is improving immunization rates. We recommend that the government move forward with its election commitment to invest an additional $15 million per year towards improving immunization rates in Canada. We are very concerned that, according to recently released national data, child immunization rates in Canada are falling short of herd immunity, and we are pleased to see the government's commitment to improving immunization rates for children.

We believe that pharmacists have an important role to play in providing immunizations to Canadians. To give you just one example, between 2010 and 2012, when pharmacists were given the authority to provide flu vaccinations in Alberta, vaccination rates in the province increased almost 20%.

The existing national vaccination strategy must be revamped to increase public awareness of the importance of vaccinations and include a comprehensive approach that would further expand pharmacists' scope of practice to administer vaccines.

Thank you again for this invitation to appear. I will be happy to take questions later from the committee.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Mr. Eisenschmid.

We'll turn to the national centre for electrochemistry and environmental technologies.

Ms. Déziel.

11:10 a.m.

Nancy Déziel Executive Director, Centre national en électrochimie et en technologies environnementales

Distinguished members of the committee, thank you very much for inviting me today.

The Collège Shawinigan's Centre national en électrochimie et en technologies environnementales, or CNETE, is a college technology transfer centre that is part of the Réseau Trans-tech and one of Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada's (NSERC) technology access centres. Our scientific outreach is well known all over Quebec.

The Centre's mission is to contribute to the region's economic development through technology transfer in electrochemical and environmental technologies. We are recognized for our work in industrial bioprocesses, green chemistry, nanotechnologies, renewable energy, carbon management, membrane filtration—both liquid and gas—and electrochemistry.

CNETE has a team of 51 experts, researchers and technicians, all knowledgeable about the industrial reality within which businesses operate.

In the last five years, CNETE has seen its revenues increase by 460%. The centre has completed more than 450 projects with 250 companies and partners in Quebec, the United States, France, Brazil, the Netherlands and Mexico.

CNETE has successfully conducted technology transfer in 85% of its projects. We were honoured to receive Hydro-Québec's prize for research in technology on five occasions, as well as four other recognition awards from the Association pour le développement de la recherche et de l'innovation du Québec and from NSERC.

CNETE collaborates actively with a number of leaders in the field of innovation, universities, government research centres and colleges across Canada.

In terms of the Government of Canada's budget preparations, CNETE would like to draw your attention to the importance of the following three recommendations.

The first recommendation is to prioritize the entire research and innovation chain.

Basic research feeds applied research in a three- to six-year cycle, depending on the extent of its technological maturity that adapts it and transfers it to industry. Applied research, often conducted regionally, reduces the time taken for innovations to come to market and therefore to drive small and medium-sized businesses towards greater competitiveness and the maintenance of their highly skilled workforce.

Basic research is supported by NSERC to the tune of approximately $1 billion annually. It is important that this amount be maintained. The budget for applied research in colleges is currently $50 million for Canada as a whole. Given the tangible benefits and results with industry, it would be appropriate to increase this budget in order to be able to serve the pool of SMEs and allow them to take a sustainable position vis-à-vis the competition from around the world.

The second recommendation is to invest in the Government of Canada organizations that support applied research.

CNETE has seen its operations and its outcomes expand greatly over the last five years. The federal support organizations making major contributions are NSERC, the Canadian Foundation for Innovation, and Canada Economic Development. Maintaining their budgets and their regional offices is extremely important so that companies can develop and become competitive. CNETE would not have been able to help as many Canadian companies without those programs of support for research and for the acquisition of high-tech equipment. Canada's position in the global knowledge economy depends on it.

The third recommendation is to allow colleges to have access to the Government of Canada's research support fund.

Twenty-five years ago, applied research centres in colleges were mainly involved in small-scale technical assistance projects that required much more modest infrastructures. Since then, their research operations have evolved into cutting-edge applied research and technological development. Quebec now has 49 college technology transfer centres and there are 30 or so technology access centres in Canada. These are very high-tech centres and laboratories of excellence that are positioning Canada in a leadership role in their various fields.

The operation and maintenance of these infrastructures require corresponding funding. Universities have access to the Government of Canada's research support fund, but colleges do not if they receive project funding from NSERC. It is critical that colleges have access to the Government of Canada's research support fund if the research infrastructures in colleges are to endure. The equipment and the applied research centres in colleges support innovation in SMEs and Canada's economy benefits as a result.

CNETE is extremely grateful for the Government of Canada's support. We take seriously our role as a Canadian leader in environmental technology. Our intent is to be dynamic in continuing our industrial research projects so that we are recognized as a catalyst that allows innovations to be developed, adapted and speedily brought to market, thereby enhancing the productivity of SMEs in Canada.

In our CNETE i+ project, the PLUS stands for perfecting products and processes, launching new products and companies, uniting colleges and universities with industry, and simplifying procedures for SMEs. The project puts CNETE into the roles of both a host at the door and, together with our partners, a guide to better accompany the SMEs and reduce the risks that come with development and the time it takes to bring innovation to market. This completes the technology transfer chain so that the companies and the Canadian economy can benefit.

Thank you for your attention.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Ms. Déziel.

We'll turn, then, to Colleges and Institutes Canada.

Ms. Amyot, welcome.

11:15 a.m.

Denise Amyot President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I am presenting this morning on behalf of Canada's extensive network of colleges, CEGEPs, polytechnics, and institutes that serves over 3,000 urban, rural, and remote communities from coast to coast to coast.

In the current economic climate, we recognize that the government must give priority to its investments in order to better meet the needs of Canadians.

I will therefore focus my remarks on three specific ways that colleges and institutes can contribute to Canada's economic and social success in the short term.

Our recommendations for budget 2016 are all in line with the government priorities. They are as follows. First, make targeted strategic investments in infrastructure at colleges and institutes to ensure that Canada has the training and innovation infrastructure to support economic growth and social development. Second, increase funding for college applied research, as the other witness spoke about, to strengthen the innovation capacity of small companies and communities. Third, provide funding to support more co-op and internship opportunities and expanded pre-apprenticeship training to improve the employability of young Canadians.

I also want to mention to this committee that we have submitted a written brief to the committee. You will note that the key priority for colleges and institutes is increasing access to post-secondary education and skills upgrading for indigenous peoples as essential to support reconciliation.

In regard to infrastructure funding, our members recommend that the government establish a dedicated envelope for post-secondary institutions to address deferred maintenance and infrastructure needs to meet the increased employer demand for college and institute programs and make a difference in their community.

A recent CICan study found that 60% of existing infrastructure currently exceeds its 40-year life cycle and requires replacement or significant maintenance. Aging infrastructure limits enrolment capacity at colleges and institutes, resulting in wait lists for programs in high-demand fields such as trades, health care, and engineering technologies.

Although the 2009 knowledge infrastructure program was of great assistance, the needs continue to grow. At the moment, the colleges and institutes are ready to launch 800 maintenance projects, valued at $1.6 billion. We feel that 75% of those projects will allow the institutions to increase their energy efficiency and to reduce their environmental footprints. In addition, 200 new construction projects, valued at $6 billion, are ready to be launched and are just waiting for funding to be available.

Second, as the government works to fully develop its innovation agenda, we want to highlight two specific investments in college and institute applied research that will immediately strengthen the innovation capacity of small businesses and communities across the country.

The tri-agency college and community innovation program and the SSHRC community and college social innovation fund pilot are two key programs that support college and institute applied research. These granting agency programs are not meeting the growing demand from industry and community partners for applied research services, nor are they leveraging the substantial untapped capacity among faculty and students.

We recommend that the government increase the annual budget of the CCI program by $17 million per year so that colleges and institutes are not required to turn away so many requests from small and medium enterprises for innovation support.

We also recommend that the SSHRC social innovation pilot of $5 million be made permanent with an increased budget of $10 million per year. The early results from this program are very exciting but the pilot funding will be tapped out when the second competition is completed this spring. It has responded to a huge pent-up demand from community partners who see great opportunities for social innovation related to education, crime prevention, environment, and responding to the needs of newcomers to Canada.

Finally, in difficult economic times we must all do more to improve employment opportunities and outcomes for young Canadians.

So we recommend that the government design new programs to encourage employers to offer more internship opportunities and co-op programs.

As primary providers of pre-apprenticeship training programs, colleges and institutes are ready to ramp up their offerings, in particular, for high-demand Red Seal trades.

We hope that our recommendations will be of use in the committee's work. Colleges and institutes are ready to work with the Government of Canada in order to encourage skills development in response to the labour needs in growth sectors, to support innovation for SMEs and communities, and to stimulate youth employment.

Thank you.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Ms. Amyot.

Mr. Marshall, with the Mining Association of Canada, the floor is yours. You have five minutes, please.

11:20 a.m.

Brendan Marshall Senior Director, Economic and Northern Affairs, Mining Association of Canada

Mr. Chair,

distinguished committee members,

clerk, and fellow witnesses, my name is Brendan Marshall and I am the senior director of economic and northern affairs for the Mining Association of Canada. MAC is the national voice for Canada's mining and mineral processing industry, representing 38 members engaged in exploration, mining, smelting, and semi-fabrication across a host of commodities.

Our president and CEO, Pierre Gratton, was unable to be here today as he is currently in Botswana delivering a workshop on our “towards sustainable mining” initiative. He sends his regrets.

The global mining sector is struggling through a significant downturn in commodity prices, triggered by economic volatility and the consequences of an oversupplied market during the lengthy upswing of the past decade.

While adept at controlling costs and steering through uncertainty, the downward pressure on mineral prices is real and companies are feeling it. Many commodity prices have declined. From winter 2011 highs, both nickel and copper have fallen, losing nearly 70% and 50% of their value respectively. Similar trends with subtle variations are seen in silver, uranium, and potash, with the most dramatic swings in iron ore and coal.

While downward pressure is pervasive across many commodities, some sectors of the industry are seeing improvements. For example, the price of gold has jumped nearly 15% from roughly $1,050 an ounce in early December to $1,210 an ounce in mid-February. The important context is the impact on the low Canadian dollar trading at 73¢ U.S., providing relief where costs are in Canadian dollars and revenues are in the greenback.

Despite challenges, the Canadian industry remains an economic stalwart, contributing more than $57 billion in GDP. That's 3.4% of the national GDP in 2014, employing 375,000 people, and paying an estimated $71 billion in taxes and royalties to governments over the decade leading through 2012. Canada remains home to the greatest number of publicly listed mining companies in the world. Government has contributed positively, in some respects, with policy developments and investments supporting the growth of Canada's mining sector.

While the government should stay the course in these developments, proactive policy measures are needed to maintain the Canadian mining industry's global leadership into the future by enhancing the already strong synergy between mining and indigenous Canadians.

Mining companies have developed progressive relationships with many indigenous communities. Over the past decade, the Canadian mining industry has increasingly embraced the signing of impact benefit agreements. Beyond employment and training, more recent IBAs promote business opportunities through set-aside contracts and joint ventures. They also provide for environmental monitoring and include direct payment and resource sharing arrangements, among other provisions. Partially, as a result of the strength of this growing partnership, and partially due to the nearness of 1,200 aboriginal communities to 180 mining operations and 2,500 exploration properties, proportionally, the mining industry is the largest private sector employer of indigenous people in Canada.

We commend the new government's commitments to renew Canada's relationships with aboriginal peoples and support its election platform's commitment to increase funding for indigenous education and training. Moving forward with a reconciliation agenda, the government should renew and enhance funding for the skills and partnership fund and the aboriginal skills and employment training strategy after they expire in March 2016.

The government has stated it will review a resource development regulatory permitting processes to enhance public confidence. We look forward to working as a constructive partner to government in carrying out this policy directive. The 2012 changes in federal environmental and regulatory legislation did not reduce federal oversight of mining projects but created transition problems. The resulting uncertainty, delays, and costs fell disproportionately on the mining sector. In all these processes, mining projects account for 70% to 100% of total applications. To avoid such problems, it is critical that any future changes be informed by meaningful consultation and make adequate provision for transition and departmental capacity to manage transition and deliver implementation.

With regard to clean technology and innovation, in 2013 Canadian mining and metal companies invested $677 million in research and development, surpassing that of the machinery sector, the pharmaceutical sector, and the wood products and paper sector. In 2013 the industry employed 4,560 people in research and development. This is more than the pharmaceutical and forestry sectors, which both receive extensive financial and policy support from the government.

Canadian Mining Innovation Council is a non-profit organization that was created by industry, government, and academia to fundamentally transform the minerals industry through innovation. CMIC created an innovation strategy for industry called “towards zero waste mining”. The business case and resulting technology road maps identify transformational goals and projects that will lead to significant reductions in mining waste in the next five years, including greenhouse gas emissions reduction and clean technology development.

The government should allocate $50 million to CMIC as a component of the $200-million campaign commitment to support the development of green technology.

In regard to addressing the costs of operating in remote and northern Canada, as Chief Clarence Louie wrote in the National Aboriginal Economic Development Board's recent report:

Canada's North is facing a significant infrastructure deficit—one that is a major barrier to improving the quality of life in northern Indigenous communities and acts as the predominant barrier to economic and business development in the region.... Bold investment in large nation-building infrastructure is required alongside increased investment in community level infrastructure to support Northern communities.

The mining industry is ideally situated to generate significant and meaningful employment, business, and other social and economic opportunities for indigenous and northern Canadians. Overcoming the infrastructure deficit is key to unlocking these opportunities.

As a priority, government should establish a remote and northern fund within the context of the proposed Canada infrastructure bank, designed on the highly successful Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority, and also consider ways that fiscal policy can level the playing field for companies that operate in remote and northern regions.

Thank you for the opportunity to be with you today. I look forward to taking any of your questions.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Thank you very much, Mr. Marshall.

We'll turn to the first round of questions. Given that we have a fairly tight time frame, we'll cut the seven minutes to five for the first round. We'll get everybody in.

Go ahead, Mr. Sorbara.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good morning, everyone. Thank you, panellists, for your insightful comments.

If I may, in my reduced time, I will focus on you, Perry. I don't want to mispronounce your last name.

We ran on a platform in which we spoke about a patient-centred approach or a patient-centric approach for the delivery of home care services and moving the health care model to such. In our platform, we committed $3 billion over four years for improvements in home care delivery in working with the provinces. I wanted to get your feedback on how those types of investments would improve the quality of care for patients and when working with the pharmacists as well.

11:30 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Pharmacists Association

Perry Eisenschmid

Well, it's an important move. Strategically, I think health care investments have to move from the acute care model, which I think our health foundation has been built on, into community care. We think pharmacists can play a very important role in that. We have a lot of pharmacists right now who are actually visiting their patients in their homes, looking at issues of medication adherence, and doing a full med review to make sure that all the medications that are being taken are appropriate.

We think investments that are shifting out to community care are very important. Whether it's nurses, physicians, or pharmacists, the front-line health professionals all have a very critical role to play in ensuring the success.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Thank you.

I think Denise wants to comment.

Please go ahead.

11:30 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada

Denise Amyot

If I may, what is important to remember is that eight people out of 10 who work in the health sector are studying or have studied in colleges and institutes. People forget that. Who is better placed than the people who work and study in colleges and institutes to again look at innovative approaches through applied research or a social innovation fund in order to help? We would be pleased to help you meet the mandate.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Francesco Sorbara Liberal Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Thank you.

I believe there are two million Canadians receiving some sort of home care help for a variety of reasons, so it's a pressing issue. With the demographic changes that are occurring, which we're all well aware of, it's going to become more so. Our government is committed to tackling this and also to working with the provinces in making sure we have the appropriate services.

I'll ask for just a quick comment from the Canadian Mining Association. We all know where the commodity cycle is and about the transition going on in the Chinese economy. What's your outlook for commodity prices? You can draw a line at copper and the Canadian dollar, and it almost moves one to one. I'm curious to hear more of your outlook on that. With limited time, I'll leave it at that.

11:30 a.m.

Senior Director, Economic and Northern Affairs, Mining Association of Canada

Brendan Marshall

Thank you.

Well, if I had a crystal ball, I can tell you that I wouldn't be sitting before this committee right now.

11:30 a.m.

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11:30 a.m.

Senior Director, Economic and Northern Affairs, Mining Association of Canada

Brendan Marshall

All kidding aside here, look, it's a complex situation and there's no simple answer. Canada produces over 16 minerals and metals. We're a top ten producer in the world of over 10 minerals.

Demand cycles for those materials vary, so you can't say with one fell swoop that the industry is up or the industry is down. I can tell you that some commodities, particularly iron ore and coal, are at very low periods right now. I can tell you that some other commodities, such as gold and zinc, are on an uptick. As for whether that has staying power, we'll have to wait and see.

As a general message, to answer your question, I'd say that the industry is a cyclical industry. When it's high, nobody looks down, and when it's down, nobody thinks you're going to be on top again, but one thing that stays true is that it will come back. It always has. It always will. This is a particularly challenging downturn, but based on some of the presentations I've seen from commodity experts, people think we are at the trough of it now and looking forward. Some predictions forecast improvements in pricing points as early as 2016.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Ms. Raitt.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Milton, ON

Thank you very much.

I have a very quick question for Mr. Eisenschmid, and then a general question for Colleges and Institutes and the electrochemistry centre.

By the way, I have a master's in chemistry so I'm really pleased to see you here today. It almost makes me remember what I left behind.

Mr. Eisenschmid, I have a very quick question. Does your association have a point of view with respect to a proposal to remove GST from consumer health products, specifically over-the-counter medications? Have you guys talked about that at all?

11:35 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Pharmacists Association

Perry Eisenschmid

We've been involved in some of those discussions. I'm not sure we're at a point where we actually have a perspective on that, but we have been engaged with our fellow association on that matter.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

Lisa Raitt Conservative Milton, ON

When you get to that point, I'd appreciate it if you would send me a letter on it, just so I can gather some information on it. Obviously, I've been approached from another association.

For Colleges and Institutes and the centre for electrochemistry and environmental technology, one of the things we're doing very well in Canada is that we have attracted students to go into post-secondary or tertiary education. In fact, we're number one in the OECD. You probably know that. I'm even more proud that 66% of women between the ages of 25 and 34 actually have tertiary education. I think that's a great thing.

You're doing well in terms of attracting people to colleges and universities. That doesn't seem to be the problem. If we flip it to the other side on innovation, we're really struggling. We're 13 out of 16 peer countries on innovation. What I've read in the past about it is that it comes down to two things: we're not as strong in entrepreneurship and we're not as strong on commercialization of our research.

If you don't mind, why don't you both, in the time we have, give me your perspective on how we deal with that side of our education system? It isn't about attracting people. It's about preparing them for entrepreneurship and encouraging them for entrepreneurship, and then for the second piece, for the commercialization. We need both of those things firing for innovation to happen.

11:35 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada

Denise Amyot

Applied research in colleges and institutes means automatically helping students with respect to entrepreneurship and developing entrepreneurship skills, as well as helping small and medium-sized enterprises to develop new products or new services for commercialization.

Let me give an example. I'll use an example from P.E.I., if I may, because the chair is from P.E.I. It's a very simple example. You all have been to P.E.I., I'm sure. Blueberries are very popular in P.E.I. As for what happened, there was a person who was selling blueberry juice in P.E.I. The problem was waste. On an island, waste is a big issue. That person knocked on the door of Holland College and asked for help with all that waste. Guess what? This individual now sells seven products. One is the blueberry juice, which in fact has less vitamins and minerals than his six other products.

Now this person has seven products. That's a concrete example of how the funding that the Government of Canada provides colleges and institutes helps small and medium-sized enterprises. While they learned about that, as I said, they also learned about entrepreneurship skills.

Nancy also has a great example, which I had the chance to hear about and visit. You'll see the difference that she's making in the community.

11:35 a.m.

Executive Director, Centre national en électrochimie et en technologies environnementales

Nancy Déziel

I will answer in French, because I'm more fluent in French.

We work with small and medium-sized business. We take what universities design, we reduce any risks, we scale the designs, we assist with commercialization, and we cut down the time it takes to put them on the market.

I will give a concrete example. We are working with a company called Bio-K+ International. The company wants to get into the American market, where there was interest in products for children. So we worked with them on a probiotic for children. As a result, 70% of the company's sales are now in the United States. The probiotic is produced in Quebec. We have been working with the company to perfect the product for three years.

Another example of a business we worked with is Nemaska Lithium, that wants to produce lithium of the highest purity. The company has a mine in Whabouchi and wanted to design a membrane electrolysis process. We developed that process. We suggested that the company set itself up in our city of Shawinigan, which has been hit hard by recent plant closures. They agreed to open their plant in Shawinigan and they will be creating 150 jobs in the next three years. That all started from college-based research.

We take what already exists in universities, we adapt it and we partner with companies in scaling-up and commercialization. That is why we want budgets for applied research in the colleges to be increased. We have concrete examples. We should point out that 85% of the projects we have developed in the last 10 years, almost 1,000 projects, have ended up on the market. Products were designed, processes were improved and new technologies were inserted. The money that the government invested in us has allowed us to provide a lot of tangible help. Even without the economic benefits, you should know that, for every dollar invested in us, we manage to find another five in order to complete the project.