Thank you. I wanted to ask those two questions.
We just heard from the Clerk of the Privy Council prior to this panel. We heard that when the student programs were introduced, the $9 billion, four major programs were introduced and the intention of this government was to provide as much.... Because of how students were disproportionately impacted across this country in different regions, we were trying to provide as many work opportunities as possible, as many opportunities as possible for students to engage in their local communities and support the COVID efforts, as well as to provide as much financial support as possible, because we knew there was a lot of stress about how students were going to be able to pay for their education moving forward.
We heard that the Canada student service program was not meant to be an hourly wage. It was meant to be a grant and was part of a big package during these unprecedented times for us to be able to support our students.
The second thing I wanted to mention was that we heard from Ms. Speevak from Volunteer Canada, who indicated to us that there's a difference of opinion within the non-profit sector about whether grants and stipends should be provided to volunteers at certain times.
The last thing I wanted to mention is that Minister Chagger, in a previous panel, indicated to us that she felt very confident that the bureaucrats who were responsible for the Canada student service grant had ensured proper legal opinion to ensure that everything was set within the law.
I wanted to end, Mr. Mandryk, by indicating a huge thanks to you. You've made a number of recommendations. Our civil servants right now have the program in hand, and I think your recommendations are going to be very helpful.
I want to turn my attention to Mr. Aylward. Mr. Aylward, you can't imagine the heartfelt thanks that Canadians have for our public servants. If there was ever a time when we were so enormously proud, it would be right now. The number of programs they've been able to introduce during these unprecedented times...and most of them not in their offices but from their homes, making do with whatever they have, to do whatever they are possibly able to do. I know there is enormous gratitude from all Canadians.
Mr. Shugart, the Clerk of the Privy Council, just indicated to us that it's absolutely normal for the federal government not to deliver all programs, and that it's very typical and indeed very effective for us to go to a number of non-profits to deliver programs. For example, food security programs are very big in Davenport; the Community Food Centres of Canada would deliver that.
I wonder whether you agree that, in some cases, it is more effective for public servants to work with various non-profits to deliver programs.