Evidence of meeting #51 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor McGowan  Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Pierre Mercille  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Dave Beaulne  Senior Director, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maude Lavoie  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maximilian Baylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lesley Taylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Dominic DiFruscio  Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Phil King  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jean-François Girard  Senior Director, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Nicolas Moreau  Director General, Funds Management Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Manuel Dussault  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neelu Shanker  Deputy Director, Operations, Sanctions Policy and Operations Coordination Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

No, we'll do them separately. I like this process.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

All right. We like to see you stay principled here.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Mr. Chair, let me just add that I am learning a lot here, and I'm sure my colleagues are as well. This process is actually well suited for informing us as members of this committee.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I expect you to get up in the House and say, “What lessons I've learned from the Budget Implementation Act. I'm now a more brilliant person than I was before.”

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Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

The only problem, Mr. Chair, is that $354 billion is a very expensive education.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

It is an expensive education, but it's worth it when you're dealing with Mr. Fast.

Are you on clause 153 too, Ms. O'Brien?

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Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Erin O'Brien

No. You will see the friendly face of my colleague Manuel Dussault. He'll take you through clauses 153 to 157.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We're on clause 153, Manuel. Go ahead.

May 27th, 2021 / 8:45 p.m.

Manuel Dussault Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Thank you. Good evening.

Clause 153 would extend the sunset date by two years to June 30, 2025, for trust and loan companies under the Trust and Loan Companies Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Is there any discussion?

(Clause 153 agreed to on division)

(On clause 154)

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

Clause 154 would extend the sunset date for two years for banks and authorized foreign banks under the Bank Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Go ahead, Mr. Falk.

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Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Can you help me understand what that sunset clause is for?

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

It allows a regular review of the financial institution framework every five years. It sunsets the ability of those financial institutions to operate, and that allows a review by government and Parliament of the financial institution statutes to make sure they're up to date and technically sound.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shall clause 154 carry on division?

(Clause 154 agreed to on division)

(On clause 155)

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

This extends the sunset date for bank holding companies under the Bank Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are there questions? It's pretty straightforward.

(Clause 155 agreed to on division)

(On clause 156)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

This extends the sunset date for insurance companies, foreign companies, foreign insurance companies and societies under the Insurance Companies Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Go ahead, Mr. Falk.

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Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

We're extending a lot of sunset clauses here. The only thing you haven't provided is the rationale for doing it. Is there a reason we're doing it?

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

The reason is that it's going to allow the government and Parliament to take into account the full impact of the pandemic by extending the time these institutions can operate by two years.

(Clause 156 agreed to on division)

(On clause 157)

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Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Manuel Dussault

This extends the sunset date for insurance holding companies under the Insurance Companies Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I see no hands here.

(Clause 157 agreed to on division)

(On clause 158)

That finishes division 4. We'll turn to division 5.

We have amendment BQ-4 by the Bloc.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Go ahead, Gabriel. The floor is yours.