Evidence of meeting #51 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor McGowan  Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Pierre Mercille  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Dave Beaulne  Senior Director, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maude Lavoie  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maximilian Baylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lesley Taylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Dominic DiFruscio  Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Phil King  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jean-François Girard  Senior Director, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Nicolas Moreau  Director General, Funds Management Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Manuel Dussault  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neelu Shanker  Deputy Director, Operations, Sanctions Policy and Operations Coordination Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

5:55 p.m.

Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Essentially, it's the same thing. CRA will be able to require some information in an electronic fashion from banks and credit unions.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Okay.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Are you satisfied?

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

All right.

(Clause 70 agreed to on division)

(On clause 71)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Clause 71 is a consequential amendment to the amendment that is found in the Income Tax Act in this bill. You can see that the title is “Proof of electronic delivery”. Usually, it was served personally. There was a paper trail. In this case, a CRA official would be able to provide an electronic copy of the message that was sent to the banks and credit unions to prove that it was sent.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

All right.

Shall clause...?

Oops. Go ahead, Mr. Ste-Marie.

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Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

I am sorry to interrupt the vote in this way.

My question is about some of the clauses that we have just passed. Since the beginning, we sometimes see that only the English version of the clause was amended, not the French version. That's the case for clause 70, if I am not mistaken.

Is that because the French version of the legislation is already appropriately drafted in terms of what the English version wants to make clear?

Why are changes being made to the English version only?

5:55 p.m.

Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

No. In this case, the previous French and English versions established the same program. However, French and English are sometimes drafted differently. Often, in the preamble, the French has many more words than the English. The principles of legislative drafting that the Department of Justice wants us to use ask us not to open a very long provision to make changes to the entire provision, if there is only one little change up here and another little change down there. They ask us to make separate amendments. That's probably what happened here because it often happens in such cases.

It is a matter of the structure. The meaning of the provision is the same but the way in which it is drafted is a little different.

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Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

I can understand that, but does the French version remain as detailed and precise as the English version?

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

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Bloc

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette, QC

That's fine, thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

(Clause 71 agreed to on division)

(On clause 72)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Clause 72 is a similar amendment, an identical amendment, consequential to the amendment in the Income Tax Act, but in this case it's not the Excise Tax Act, it's the Air Travellers Security Charge Act. It's to allow CRA to deliver a request for information in an electronic format.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay.

I see no hands up.

(Clause 72 agreed to on division)

(On clause 73)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Again, clause 73 is a consequential amendment to the Air Travellers Security Charge Act, consequential to the amendment to the Income Tax Act, to the electronic delivery of requests for information to banks and credit unions.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Okay. That sounds good.

(Clause 73 agreed to on division)

( On clause 74)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Clause 74 is again a consequential amendment to the amendment to the Income Tax Act in respect of the electronic delivery of requests for information, but in this case it's for the Excise Act, 2001. Usually under this it's the tobacco, alcohol and cannabis taxation.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I see no hands up.

(Clause 74 agreed to on division)

(On clause 75)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Clause 75 is the same explanation. It's consequential to clause 74 that is consequential to the income tax amendment.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shall clause 75 carry on division?

(Clause 75 agreed to on division)

(On clause 76)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

Clause 76, again, is a consequential amendment under the Excise Act, 2001, for the electronic delivery of requests for information that are consequential to the amendment to the Income Tax Act.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shall clause 76 carry on division?

(Clause 76 carried on division)

(On clause 77)

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Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Pierre Mercille

On clause 77, it's the same thing. It's consequential to the amendment to the Income Tax Act. In this case, it's how the CRA can prove in court that the electronic request for information was sent.