Evidence of meeting #51 for Finance in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor McGowan  Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Pierre Mercille  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Dave Beaulne  Senior Director, Legislation, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maude Lavoie  Director General, Business Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Maximilian Baylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Lesley Taylor  Senior Director, Personal Income Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Dominic DiFruscio  Senior Advisor, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Phil King  Director General, Sales Tax Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Erin O'Brien  Director General, Financial Services Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Jean-François Girard  Senior Director, Financial Stability and Capital Markets Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Julie Trepanier  Director, Payments Policy, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Nicolas Moreau  Director General, Funds Management Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Manuel Dussault  Senior Director, Framework Policy, Financial Institutions Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Justin Brown  Acting Director General, Financial Crimes Governance and Operations, Financial Systems Division, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Neelu Shanker  Deputy Director, Operations, Sanctions Policy and Operations Coordination Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I just got a note from the clerk that Mr. Baylor is not there, so we will let it go with your answer, Trevor.

Is there anything further, Ed, on that one?

6:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

No, that's fine. Thank you.

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shall clause 88 carry on division?

(Clause 88 agreed to on division)

(On clause 89)

6:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Who wants to give a quick explanation? Is it you, Trevor, or one of your colleagues?

6:20 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

I would be happy to do so.

Currently there are restrictions available on transferring benefits from a defined benefit registered pension plan to an RRSP of a former employee. Planning had been developed to circumvent these limits, wherein a former employee would set up their own individual pension plan and then have a transfer from the former employer's defined benefit registered pension plan to their new individual pension plan, thus effectively circumventing the limits on transfers to RRSPs.

What this measure would do is help close those gaps in the rules and ensure that the transfer limits work appropriately.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Shall clause 89 carry on division?

(Clause 89 agreed to on division)

(On clause 90)

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

Clause 90 provides consequential amendments related to variable payment life annuities.

6:25 p.m.

A voice

No, no.

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

Actually, no. As I mentioned earlier, this provides the main set of the rules, and the one I talked about earlier was consequential, but this relates to VPLAs.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Ed, are you okay with that?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Not quite. This has to do with money purchase provisions, correct? Clause 90 just defines what those money purchase provisions are.

I hope we're on the same clause.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

We're on page 117.

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

I'm looking for the specific....

I'm not sure of the question. If you look at the top of page 118, it really starts to get into the body of the VPLA rules. The money purchase—

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

I think subclause 90(4) is where it's identified, Mr. McGowan.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Do you mean the VPLA fund, Ted?

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Falk Conservative Provencher, MB

Yes.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

This is the VPLA fund, proposed paragraphs 8506(13)(a), 8506(13)(b) and 8506(13)(c).

6:25 p.m.

Director General, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Trevor McGowan

In terms of the specific pension rules, I just got an email from my colleague Max, who swears he is in the waiting room and is eager to discuss them.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Mr. Clerk, let's see if you can get Max in here and give Trevor a little break.

I know the interpreters are getting tired. We are going to give them a half-hour break at 7:00.

6:25 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Easter, he should be on now. His name is Maximilian.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

I don't see him, but I have too many things on my screen. Maximilian, just speak when you're here. We'll wait.

6:25 p.m.

The Clerk

We promoted him to panellist, Mr. Easter, but we don't see him anymore.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

Just give him another shot. Technology is so wonderful.

6:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

This is taking a while.

6:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Wayne Easter

It is, but this is technology. It's the Internet speed you have out there on the west coast, Ed. That's the problem.