Evidence of meeting #94 for Finance in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Alexandre Roger
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Ariane Gagné-Frégeau  Legislative Clerk
Miriam Burke  Legislative Clerk
Jean-François Lafleur  Legislative Clerk

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I believe in minority rights as well, Chair.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Shall clause 490 carry?

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Chair, we have doctrines of privilege to protect minorities.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We have MP Lawrence on a point of order.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Did that previous vote go through, or are we starting all over again? Did we vote on clause 489 when Conservatives didn't get a vote?

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We voted on clause 489, yes.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

We didn't get a vote for that.

If you look at the Hansard there, even if you overruled Mr. Genuis, I clearly said “point of order”, which means that vote never happened.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I did not hear your point of order.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I said it clearly—

May 30th, 2023 / 2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I did not hear it.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Check the Hansard.

It doesn't matter. Your job, as I say to my children, was to listen, and you didn't listen.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Okay, that is debate.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I raised it. It's a point of order.

It is the very essence. There's nothing more critical than a point of order, Mr. Chair. If you refuse to acknowledge it, then why are we even here? Why are we even here? The Liberal Party should just get to do whatever they want.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

Okay, MP Lawrence—

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I raised a point of order before you went to the vote.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I did not hear your point of order.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

I said it. Check the Hansard. Talk to the clerks.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

I did not hear your point of order.

2:25 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

You have to recognize it. It's the most sacred, sacrosanct....

When we're on that side and you're on this side, if we don't recognize a point of order, holy mackerel, we hear it from the Liberals and the NDP. How many times do we hear the NDP talking about time allocation, and here we are—we don't even get the right to vote. What have we come to?

I raised a point of order, and I said it clearly into the microphone. It's your job to recognize it.

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

MP Lawrence, we were into a vote.

2:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Is there a process to remove the chair?

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Peter Fonseca

We were into a vote, so—

2:30 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Mr. Clerk, is there a process to remove the chair? He won't recognize a point of order. He won't even let us vote.