Evidence of meeting #27 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clauses.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Gourevitch  Director, Postal Affairs, Department of Public Works and Government Services

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Good morning, everybody. I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 27 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Finance.

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I remind you that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, December 10, 2025, and the motion adopted by the House on Friday, February 13, 2026, the committee shall resume consideration of Bill C-15, an act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025.

I would like to provide members of the committee with a few comments on how committees proceed with the clause-by-clause consideration of a bill.

As the name indicates, this is an examination of all the clauses in the order in which they appear in the bill. I will call each clause successively, and each clause is subject to debate and a vote. If there are amendments to the clause in question, I will recognize the member proposing it, who may explain it. Amendments will be considered in the order in which they appear in the package each member received from the clerks.

In addition to having to be properly drafted in a legal sense, amendments must also be procedurally admissible. The chair may be called upon to rule amendments inadmissible if they go against the principle of the bill or beyond the scope of the bill—both of which were adopted by the House when it agreed to the bill at second reading—or if they offend the financial prerogative of the Crown.

During debate on amendments, members are permitted to move subamendments until 5 p.m. today.

Pursuant to the House order adopted on Friday, February 13, 2026, if the committee has not completed clause-by-clause consideration of the bill by 5 p.m. on Monday, February 23, 2026, all remaining amendments submitted to the committee shall be deemed moved, and the chair shall put the question, forthwith and successively, without further debate on all remaining clauses and proposed amendments.

Once every clause has been voted on, the committee will vote on the title and the bill itself. An order to reprint the bill may be required, if amendments are adopted, so that the House has a proper copy for use at report stage.

I thank the members for their attention and wish everyone a productive clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C‑15.

As per the House order adopted on Friday, February 13, 2026, all amendments ought to have been submitted no later than noon on Thursday, February 19, 2026. Amendments that are submitted past the deadline cannot be moved.

I would like to welcome the witnesses, who are ready to answer technical questions related to the bill.

There are a lot of witnesses, so I am not going to name them all. Committee members have a list, so I hope you reference that, and you can address your questions accordingly, as I mentioned at the outset.

Let's get started now on clause-by-clause.

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of clause 1, the short title, is postponed.

For part 1, “Amendments to the Income Tax Act and Other Legislation”, there are no amendments proposed from clauses 2 to 4.

Go ahead, Mr. Hallan.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Chair, just as a suggestion, since clauses 2 to 190 don't really have anything, if I'm not mistaken, if it's okay with everyone we could pass those clauses on division. Is it possible to do that?

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

That is not correct. We do have amendments, so I was going to propose—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

I'm sorry. Yes, there are two amendments.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

If you wouldn't mind allowing me to chair the meeting, that would be great.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Sure.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

If there is unanimous consent to group them, we can do that for clauses 2 to 44.

Do we have unanimous consent to do that?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

(Clauses 2 to 44 agreed to on division)

(On clause 45)

Now we are on clause 45. There's a proposed amendment from the government. Would someone like to speak to that? It's amendment G-1.

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London Centre, ON

I move that Bill C-15, in clause 45, be amended by adding, after line 4 on page 70, the following:

(5) Every employer who pays an amount described in paragraph (a) of the definition yearly eligible remuneration in subsection (1) to an individual in a taxation year must provide the certification described in paragraph (b) of that definition in respect of the total amount described in paragraph (a) of that definition for that individual for that year.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Shall G-1 carry?

(Amendment agreed to on division)

(Clause 45 as amended agreed to on division)

Go ahead, Monsieur Garon.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Madam Chair, we had amendment BQ‑1 to propose for clause 45.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

No, it targets clause 47, and we're on clause 46.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Okay. My apologies.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

I'll come to you in a moment.

Shall clause 46 carry?

(Clause 46 agreed to on division)

(On clause 47)

Go ahead, Monsieur Garon.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'm glad there's coffee today. I'm going to need it. I appreciate it.

Canada's critical minerals strategy has a list of minerals, including phosphate. We propose adding phosphate here, since it's essential for the energy transition. We think this may have been an oversight.

That's essentially what the amendment proposes.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Garon.

Does anyone want to comment on this?

Go ahead, Monsieur Leitão.

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Madam Chair, we did look into that, but we can't support my colleague's amendment because, ultimately, phosphate is a mineral used mainly in agriculture, for the production of fertilizers. This could create imbalances throughout the tax credit structure, especially since phosphate-mining companies are already eligible for the flow-through share program. For that reason, we don't believe it's necessary to go in that direction.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Leitão.

Mr. Garon, you have the floor.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

Madam Chair, I think everyone knows that phosphate is a highly critical mineral for the development of the battery industry, for the energy transition and for energy storage.

When we look at the minerals in the strategy, we see that a number of them have various possible uses. As a result, if we're going to treat all these minerals equally in terms of a specific energy transition strategy, we continue to believe that phosphate must be included.

What's more, major phosphate extraction and processing projects, which are mostly in Quebec, will be devoted almost exclusively to the energy transition. The measure's objective, of course, is to stimulate the development of new projects to advance this transition.

With all due respect to my colleague Mr. Leitão, I think the government's argument is a bit exaggerated.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Mr. Leitão, go ahead.

Carlos Leitão Liberal Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Madam Chair, despite what I said a moment ago, upon examination, we do see that, even if most phosphate is used for fertilizer production, it is also very important for the energy transition.

Therefore, to make sure that the playing field is level, we are prepared to accept the member's amendment.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

All right.

Is it the pleasure of the committee to adopt BQ‑1?

(Amendment agreed to)

(Clause 47 as amended agreed to on division)

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

We have no amendments for clauses 48 through 70.

Do I have unanimous consent to group them together in a single vote?

Some hon. members

Agreed.