Evidence of meeting #45 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was subamendment.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Maxson  Senior Director, Employment and Education, Personal Income Tax Division, Department of Finance
Walsh  Senior Director, Savings and Investment, Department of Finance
Baddeley  Director, Economic Development, Department of Finance
Coulombe  Director General, Legislation, Sales Tax Division, Department of Finance
Holmes  Executive Director, Business Enablement and Regulatory Services, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Countryman  Director General, Federal-Provincial Relations, Department of Finance
Stuart  Senior Director, Income Security, Department of Finance

9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Can I follow up, Chair?

In terms of inspecting businesses where seasonal workers may be employed, that would encompass many agricultural organizations, I would think. Please answer yes or no.

9:05 p.m.

Executive Director, Business Enablement and Regulatory Services, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Jay Holmes

The CFIA inspects businesses that are subject to its mandate for plant health, animal health and food safety.

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

In terms of the reporting requirements set out in this amendment for the regional distribution of these workers, would that impact the workload at CFIA in terms of where these people are employed?

9:05 p.m.

Executive Director, Business Enablement and Regulatory Services, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Jay Holmes

As I mentioned previously, the CFIA doesn't have responsibility for inspecting seasonal workers.

9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

If there are more of them based on regional distribution, would that not mean that your organization in different areas of the country would be better informed about where their workload is?

9:05 p.m.

Executive Director, Business Enablement and Regulatory Services, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Jay Holmes

The number of seasonal workers doesn't affect our workload. It is outside the mandate of the CFIA.

Thank you.

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

I know Mr. Jackson is new to the committee, so I totally forgive him for being perhaps a bit off track here. It seems to me that he's asked and had questions answered that are irrelevant to the actual amendment that's been proposed. Maybe we could just get back on track, Madam Chair.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank You, Mr. Turnbull.

Mr. Jackson, your questions are not relevant to the amendment that is being discussed at this moment.

9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

I appreciate the guidance, Chair, from the parliamentary secretary. I would, if I'm able.... I know Mr. Turnbull earlier invited critiques, shall we say, of the amendment as it is, so we would move a subamendment to CPC-11.

I would move that the amendment be amended by replacing paragraph (c) of proposed subsection 12(2.31) with the following:

(c) the impact on the labour market of the increased number of weeks of benefits; and

(d) the sources of data relied on by the Minister in preparing the report.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Jackson. Could you please submit that in writing to the clerks? We will take a brief suspension while we get that through translation.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Colleagues, I apologize.

Mr. Jackson is not a member of this committee, and Mr. Hallan, who is a member of this committee, came back, so he's not actually able to move a subamendment.

I apologize, Mr. Jackson—

9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Grant Jackson Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Darn.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

We're going to continue on with the meeting.

Mr. Kelly, go ahead.

9:05 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

Fortunately, I am a member of the committee, and I am not the mover of the motion, so I trust that it would be in order if I were to propose a similar, perhaps even identical —

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

I apologize, Mr. Kelly. You're the mover of CPC-11, so you actually cannot do that.

9:10 p.m.

Conservative

Pat Kelly Conservative Calgary Crowfoot, AB

Oh, I see. It's a good thing Jasraj is here.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Mr. Hallan, is the third time the charm for the Conservatives tonight? Do you want to go?

9:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Thank you so much, Chair. It's nice to be back.

I'd like to move a subamendment to CPC-11 that may be identical or very similarly worded to what Mr. Jackson tried. It's that the amendment be amended by replacing paragraph (c) of proposed subsection 12(2.31) with the following:

(c) the impact on the labour market of the increased number of weeks of benefits; and

(d) the sources of data relied on by the Minister in preparing the report.

I think more transparency and more accountability is good. I was on the immigration committee where a lot of the—

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Mr. Hallan, could you submit the subamendment? We'll get back to it once we've done that.

9:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Sure.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Unless we have unanimous consent to stand this....

9:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

No, we'll wait.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Please submit that as quickly as possible, and then we'll get the translated version to members. We'll suspend briefly.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Colleagues, we're going to return.

You now have the subamendment text in your inboxes.

Mr. Hallan, you continue to have the floor.

9:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Thank you, Chair.

This is another common-sense subamendment to bring some more transparency, especially when it comes to the TFW program that, under the Liberals, has been completely broken. In fact, they've flip-flopped on it many times.

We know they're going to continue to screw this program up. It's better to have transparency put in front of Canadians.